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Re: What have you given up for climbing?

Postby Daria » Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:00 am

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Daria wrote:brain masturbation




mattski wrote:is that looking at climbing in the guide book or on here kind of thing. What it is i like it


Daria wrote:I'm glad my post could be reduced to those two words


...because nobody understood the rest of it...


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Re: What have you given up for climbing?

Postby Daria » Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:39 am

mattski wrote:did you write that ^ hehehe



Why, yes. I did.

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Re: What have you given up for climbing?

Postby The Chief » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:00 am

I say stop analyzing so much as to why or how or whatever.

You may just find yourself enjoying the experience all that much more for what it really is/was. Not what you thought or perceived what it could be.
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Re: What have you given up for climbing?

Postby Day Hiker » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:08 am

mattski wrote:strate from the hart ^


Dude, you make my head asplode. :lol:
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Re: What have you given up for climbing?

Postby Daria » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:17 am

The Chief wrote:I say stop analyzing so much as to why or how or whatever.

You may just find yourself enjoying the experience all that much more for what it really is/was. Not what you thought or perceived what it could be.


I'm just trying to make the point that perception happens in a sequence (1. perception... 2. reflection) and reflection is a component to (and continuation of) the perception. The perception becomes recycled and embedded in memory during reflection, and this opens a whole new box regarding how consciousness handled the perception.This is a good thing because then perception is not just fleeting and static. So, when in reflection-you are processing the perception as being pleasurable, dangerous, etc. Why are people so afraid of accepting mental activity as an inherent part of perception.

Tell me something that is just PURE perception. And don't say orgasm.
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Re: What have you given up for climbing?

Postby The Chief » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:23 am

I stopped perceiving about anything, over ten years ago.

It is called sobriety and doing so works for this individual.

I do not process anything any more. I have learned to simply accept it for what it is and allow it to happen without me interrupting it with my foolish, selfish and totally unrealistic expectations/perceptions.

Simplifies things and allows my life to be far more serene and easier to live, freely.
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Re: What have you given up for climbing?

Postby Daria » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:36 am

The Chief wrote:
I do not process anything any more. I have learned to simply accept it for what it isand allow it to happen without me interrupting it with my foolish, selfish and totally unrealistic expectations/perceptions.

Simplifies things and allows my life to be far more serene and easier to live, freely.


Fair enough, Chief.


But....I find "accept it for what it is" intriguing and maybe questionable. Even in the moment of receiving a perception and just experiencing it "For What It Is", you are still experiencing a perhaps "unconscious" mobilization of the cognitive state of "this is how things are".

We also are not merely passive recipients of things around us and self sustain via osmosis. We aggressively pursue, try to alter and rearrange things, aim to accomplish agendas, restrict things that cause us distress. If aliens landed on earth and proceeded to enter into your room and touch you, you MIGHT have pretty close to a pure perception at this moment, because no earth based mental constructs could encompass what you are seeing and experiencing before you, so it would be pure perception with your mind frantically trying to categorize and catch up, but inevitably lag behind and fail, in which case perception triumphs in this case.
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Re: What have you given up for climbing?

Postby The Chief » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:56 am

Daria wrote:
The Chief wrote:
I do not process anything any more. I have learned to simply accept it for what it isand allow it to happen without me interrupting it with my foolish, selfish and totally unrealistic expectations/perceptions.

Simplifies things and allows my life to be far more serene and easier to live, freely.


Fair enough, Chief.


But....I find "accept it for what it is" intriguing and maybe questionable. Even in the moment of receiving a perception and just experiencing it "For What It Is", you are still experiencing a perhaps "unconscious" mobilization of the cognitive state of "this is how things are".

We also are not merely passive recipients of things around us and self sustain via osmosis. We aggressively pursue, try to alter and rearrange things, aim to accomplish agendas, restrict things that cause us distress. If aliens landed on earth and proceeded to enter into your room and touch you, you MIGHT have pretty close to a pure perception at this moment, because no earth based mental constructs could encompass what you are seeing and experiencing before you, so it would be pure perception with your mind frantically trying to categorize and catch up, but inevitably lag behind and fail, in which case perception triumphs in this case.



"We" is a very generic term. Not everyone can nor should be included in that vague classification.

And if any alien landed and came to my house, they most certainly would be doing so to take me back from where I originated from. I would indeed be very accepting of their offer to do so with absolutely no hesitations cus this planet is going shit faster than anyone could ever imagine. All because of selfish human perceptions and expectations.
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Re: What have you given up for climbing?

Postby Daria » Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:02 am

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And if any alien landed and came to my house, they most certainly would be doing so to take me back from where I originated from. I would indeed be very accepting of their offer to do so with absolutely no hesitations


Then we share the same sentiments. :D
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Re: What have you given up for climbing?

Postby The Chief » Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:10 am

Then stop thinking so much.....
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Re: What have you given up for climbing?

Postby Daria » Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:13 am

The Chief wrote: Then stop thinking so much.


The Chief wrote:this planet is going shit faster than anyone could ever imagine. All because of selfish human perceptions and expectations.



Maybe the world is going shit faster because of our perceptions and expectations that it "should" be different? [Insert morality here]
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Re: What have you given up for climbing?

Postby MoapaPk » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:41 am

mattski wrote:come to new zealand and youll find out what countrys should look like


I thought New Zealand was part of Australia? Kidding!
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Re: What have you given up for climbing?

Postby Charles » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:46 am

mattski wrote:come to new zealand and youll find out what countrys should look like

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Re: What have you given up for climbing?

Postby mvs » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:54 pm

It's no skin off anyone's back if some people want to think too much, right? Why should one person get to define "too much" for everybody else? Obviously, Daria likes reflecting in ever more recursive loops on the nature of things. Nuthin' wrong with that. She might find something pretty insightful, eventually. Personally I like to see the weird shit people come up with, not only is nobody getting hurt but nobody's even getting *insulted* fer gawds sake. How many threads go on this long and can say that? :geek: Though maybe the Deutsche Mädels from Bryan has done so!
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