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Re: Which compact digital camera?

Postby Joe White » Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:19 pm

It would be worth doing a bit of research on the Canon Powershot D10.

http://www.canon.ca/inetCA/products?m=gp&pid=793

It's the camera we chose for a few reasons: durable, waterproof, and takes good pictures. We especially like the waterproof factor, because when its raining or snowing...we don't have to protect it. The zoom is not great...but really, we don't zoom all that much.

Good luck in your search!
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Re: Which compact digital camera?

Postby radson » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:29 pm

Yeah, the LX series, Canon G series and S90-95 plus perhaps the Nikon P7000 are the cream of the crop. Due to the often high contrast nature of shooting in the mountains, I personally think a camera with RAW is a must. I also prefer WA to zoom and as often the best photos are taken at the golder hour, a good aperture and low noise are very helpful.

I managed to sneak past 5,500 m with my own LX3. Some pics here.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/radson/sets/72157622961912388/
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Re: Which compact digital camera?

Postby Brad Marshall » Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:54 pm

adventurer wrote:Does either the Pentax W90 or Nikon Coolpix come with a viewfinder?


The W90 does not.
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Re: Which compact digital camera?

Postby radson » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:31 pm

I dont know fortmental, they are great shots but heavily post-processed and may be replicated on some P+S.
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Re: Which compact digital camera?

Postby Damien Gildea » Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:03 pm

FortMental wrote:... you could get full-sensor resolution and performance in a P&S sized body.


In what model? For climbing and outdoor use, I consider true 'P&S' cameras to be small - not just 'non-DSLR' cams like bridge cameras. The 4/3 cams are not that small and the Pana you show in the hand only has the non-zoom pancake lens, so that is not a useful comparison to most good P&S cams. With a more versatile lens it is considerably bulkier, not remotely comparable even to a big P&S like an LX5 or G12. The only remotely full-size sensor in a remotely P&S body seems to be the Sigma DP2 and that had enough reported problems that it does not seem worth it. The G2, G10 and all those cams are really nice and no doubt give great images, but personally I think they're still too big to take climbing. Hiking? Well that's a whole different story. Or not. Whatever. Delicate snowflakes etc :roll:

There is simply no comparing a large-sensor image to a P&S sized image. It's as simple as that. Even when looking at images on a computer screen, the difference in the level of detail is astounding.


I don't think it's as simple as that*. Enlarged to print big there is a difference that is not visible on screen, sure, but on screen you'd have to be pixel-peeping to notice the difference in a lot of shots. I have folders of images with the same scenes taken at the same time with a Sony P200 and a Canon 350D and on screen there is no notable difference.

I don't use my 350D any more because it is far too big to take on anything that is remotely 'climbing'. I don't know many climbers that do actually climb with a DSLR. I know several who get many magazine features using their LX3s and G10/11/12s.



* Translation: You are wrong, responsible for the slow but inexorable demise of SP and almost certainly mentioned in WikiLeaks as responsible for the deaths of many children.
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Re: Which compact digital camera?

Postby radson » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:50 pm

DSLR's, I think come in to their own in low light, high fps, designated focusing etc but for shots taken in daylight of landscapes..yeah some P+S do a great job. I just wish I could attach a polarizing filter more easily to my LX-3.
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Re: Which compact digital camera?

Postby Kai » Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:44 pm

ncst wrote:
Kai wrote:Canon S95 Small, good image quality
Lumix LX5 Not quite as small, great image quality, faster lens.


Thanks for all the input. I've been reading some reviews and I might get the Lumix LX5 in the end. Albanberg, I see you took it with you high up in the Andes, so I guess
it handles the cold pretty well.

I currently have a Lumix. I got some weird green lines criss cross over my display earlier this year summittingCotopaxi, although they disappeared some days later. It seemed to me it was rather the display than the battery that got affected by the cold. But I was glad it didn't give in.


I had an LX3 for years. Loved it. I recently replaced it with an LX5.

The LX5 retains all of the features I loved about the LX3, and makes it even better. The ergonomics are better, particularly when wearing gloves. The zoom goes a bit further. It's really a terrific camera.

The best camera case solution I have found (after using a lot of different cases) is the Optech Micro neoprene case. Fits the LX5 perfectly. Provides protection, but doesn't increase the bulk very much. I can still fit the camera and case in my chest pocket of my Houdini jacket.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00290 ... ss_product
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Re: Which compact digital camera?

Postby hatidua » Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:28 am

All of the P&S cameras listed in various posts above are perfectly capable of producing great images in the hands of a capable user. A great many of the published images we see in outdoor magazines and gear catalogs these days are shot with P&S cameras (Canon G7/9/11/12, Panasonic LX3/LX5, Etc.).
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Re: Which compact digital camera?

Postby hatidua » Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:22 am

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Re: Which compact digital camera?

Postby Kai » Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:24 pm

FortMental wrote:It's a misconception to think that a P&S can do much of what a DSLR can do. A P&S will excel at only ONE thing: fitting into your shirt pocket. Sure, that's a huge plus, but not the main selling point, unless you're James Bond.



I have both a Point and Shoot (LX5) and a Micro 4/3 system (Olymputs Pen 2) I'm not James Bond, but I've found that I take a lot more pictures with my camera if it is in my pocket. If it's in my pack, I pass up opportunities to take pictures. The Olympus is smaller than a DSLR for sure, but it's not really pocketable. I have to keep in the pack, or in a case attached to my pack. I really like the Olympus, and I take it backpacking, but I don't take it climbing. As for image quality, if I were making poster size enlargements, the larger sensor might make a huge difference, but I don't make enlargements bigger than 11x14. On my computer monitor, (1900x1200) I also don't see much difference between the LX5 and the Olympus, in spite of the difference in sensor size. (Yes, there is a difference, but just looking at the photos, I can't really tell.)

What I have found really makes a difference in image quality is what ISO I shoot at. Image quality of either camera degrades noticeably in lower light conditions. Stabilization, and a lens with a large aperture are key here.

For a while, I owned and used a Sigma DP1. It's a P&S with a large sensor. It had the advantages of a large sensor and a small size, but at the end of the day, the LX5 is a better all around camera for my purposes.
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Re: Which compact digital camera?

Postby radson » Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:43 pm

hatidua wrote:http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/kidding.shtml


Wow.

In every case no one could reliably tell the difference between 13X19" prints shot with the $40,000 Hasselblad and Phase One 39 Megapixel back, and the new $500 Canon G10. In the end no one got more than 60% right, and overall the split was about 50 / 50, with no clear differentiator. In other words, no better than chance.
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