So I'm not mistaken that its new name is Peak Kaufman.
To be truly honest, I'm not 100% that it's Kaufman, but when I saw your post some bells were ringing and I felt I had seen that fact somewhere else.
I have also seen another name of the peak somewhere else, but can't recall it. There was a debate about the new name, like it was about Pik Kommunizma, where two names were proposed. Garmo and Ismail Somoni. A friend of mine, who's Tajik, says that debate is still not settled.
My mentor was in the first Bulgarian team that climbed it, they were the first to go over 7000 m too... back in the 60s.
Well, Kaufmann is the old name, and I am not sure whether the name of General Kaufmann brings back more decent memories than Lenin.
Anyways, regarding the new name, the Tajik government left us wondering:
1. First Pik Lenin was called Pik Independence and what was formerly known as Pik Revolution (6972m or 6740m) Pik Abuali Ibni Sino (http://www.nakanune.ru/news/2006/07/03/Tadzhiki_likvidirovali_pik_Lenina).
2. Then the presidents website calls Pik Lenin Pik Abuali Ibni Sino and Pik Revolution Pik Independence (http://www.president.tj/qaror04_297htm.htm).
The second one (Pik Abuali Ibni Sino) would take a LONG time to stick. I think they got confused here. If they call it that most people will call it Pik Lenin for decades to come. Pik Independence could go into most peoples heads though.
Yes, it's all complicated, but as you say; the name Pik Lenin will stay for a long time.
I heard talks about (again) using Kaufmann in Kyrgyzstan. The Kyrgyz in the area referred to it as Sary-Tash. All climbers said Pik Lenin. That's on the Kyrgyz side. The Tajiks will probably lobby for Pik AIS, but the Kyrgyz will never accept that.
What makes things even more complicated is the fact that the Kyrgyz officially has renamed Pik Pobeda to Jengish Chokusu, which means Independence Peak.
What a circus.
taikavuorimies - Jan 5, 2006 3:33 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentOK, thanks. So I'm not mistaken that its new name is Peak Kaufman.
My mentor was in the first Bulgarian team that climbed it, they were the first to go over 7000 m too... back in the 60s.
Corax - Jan 5, 2006 10:04 am - Hasn't voted
Untitled CommentSo I'm not mistaken that its new name is Peak Kaufman.
To be truly honest, I'm not 100% that it's Kaufman, but when I saw your post some bells were ringing and I felt I had seen that fact somewhere else.
I have also seen another name of the peak somewhere else, but can't recall it. There was a debate about the new name, like it was about Pik Kommunizma, where two names were proposed. Garmo and Ismail Somoni. A friend of mine, who's Tajik, says that debate is still not settled.
My mentor was in the first Bulgarian team that climbed it, they were the first to go over 7000 m too... back in the 60s.
Wow!
That must be great.
Ski Mountaineer - Dec 16, 2006 4:28 pm - Voted 10/10
Pik Lenin nameWell, Kaufmann is the old name, and I am not sure whether the name of General Kaufmann brings back more decent memories than Lenin.
Anyways, regarding the new name, the Tajik government left us wondering:
1. First Pik Lenin was called Pik Independence and what was formerly known as Pik Revolution (6972m or 6740m) Pik Abuali Ibni Sino (http://www.nakanune.ru/news/2006/07/03/Tadzhiki_likvidirovali_pik_Lenina).
2. Then the presidents website calls Pik Lenin Pik Abuali Ibni Sino and Pik Revolution Pik Independence (http://www.president.tj/qaror04_297htm.htm).
The second one (Pik Abuali Ibni Sino) would take a LONG time to stick. I think they got confused here. If they call it that most people will call it Pik Lenin for decades to come. Pik Independence could go into most peoples heads though.
Cheers,
Peter
Corax - Dec 19, 2006 1:14 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Pik Lenin nameYes, it's all complicated, but as you say; the name Pik Lenin will stay for a long time.
I heard talks about (again) using Kaufmann in Kyrgyzstan. The Kyrgyz in the area referred to it as Sary-Tash. All climbers said Pik Lenin. That's on the Kyrgyz side. The Tajiks will probably lobby for Pik AIS, but the Kyrgyz will never accept that.
What makes things even more complicated is the fact that the Kyrgyz officially has renamed Pik Pobeda to Jengish Chokusu, which means Independence Peak.
What a circus.
alex_vega - Apr 18, 2006 6:50 pm - Voted 10/10
Another....your fantastic page Corax!A lot of real good informations and pictures.Nice job!
Cheers,Alex
Corax - Apr 18, 2006 10:33 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Another..Thanks a lot for the kind words and for having a look at the page.
Cheers, JC.
Cheo - Jun 2, 2006 11:59 am - Hasn't voted
Photo GalleryGreat, complex, helpful and informative page.
All are also invited to see my gallery from Peak Lenin here: Peak Lenin
Corax - Jun 6, 2006 4:20 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Photo GalleryHi Cheo!
Some very nice photos in your gallery. Why don't you upload some of those to Summitpost?
Thanks for the comment about the Lenin page.
JC.