Overview
There has been a lot of discussion with respect to the recent changes on SummitPost, which is being considered SummitPost version 3, but most of that has been either individual conversations or open discussion in the forums. Since many members do not read the forums here is an overview. Nor do I expect any of you to weed through all that crap!
I haven’t tried to make this pretty or perfect… just informative.
**** Newest Item: Updated Page Editor ****
Matt has implemented a new page editor to make it easier to submit content to the site, including both editing pages and uploading images. For those used to the old process, the old editor will continue to remain available.
Since this is a new tool, there are sure to be some bugs. Please see the
New Editor Feedback & Bug Reports thread to highlight issues or discuss the changes.
See the
New Editor (SPv3) Tutorial article for complete details.
Site Speed
Montana Matt did a huge amount of work here to assure the site was fast. Several members have noticed without even being aware this was worked on. I’m not going to bore you with the details (as if I knew them), but thanks Matt for the good work here!
Look and Feel Changes
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SP Home Page
Josh Lewis contributed a TON of work and free time here to make the improvements we see all over the site, and Matt of course spent a lot of time here too. A few others and I did some testing, but Josh and Matt deserve all the credit here. To save my own time I am not going to spell it all out… just look around!
Great work Josh!!! And thanks Matt!
If you see any issues, there are several threads to use to highlight them. Please comment if something isn’t working!
Report Bugs Here
SPv3 formatting problems (if the issue is related to formatting, either on the site or more likely how something is negatively affecting your pages, report it in this thread, not the 'Bugs' thread)
If you are wondering if your issue may already be known, please refer to this page Josh is maintaining:
Known Issues and Bugs for SP V3
SP new changes (this is another thread just talking about some of the existing changes) Not critical reading.
People may also notice the work on the home page. Mostly Josh’s work I think, with Matt too of course. Some of the older discussion about it is visible in the following thread if you are interested. But this is old news now.
SP Home Page
Also, note that the elves have been doing a good job keeping fresh content on the page... check it out!
Picture of the Moment
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POTM
Most members have noticed the Picture of the Moment (POTM). I’ll give myself credit for this idea, and several others have provided good input with respect to how it works (to avoid manipulation, the precise details are not spelled out, and they have changed several times). And Montana Matt of course did all the work to actually make it happen. Thanks again Matt!
Voting
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Very Good Page = 8/10
Big change here in how votes are counted and page scores are calculated and how they affect power points. You can mostly blame me for the mechanism, but I had great input from other members too, and again Matt of course did the work in implementation.
Please don’t vote a 10 on everything now!
I am mostly referring to mountain pages and other content.
If it is a superb page 10s are great, but if not, other scores are certainly appropriate and no longer frowned upon. And of course you should still give my pages a 10!
:-)
So when voting please evaluate the value of a contribution towards SP. Does a page have good information and improve the site? Votes of 6 through 10 increase a page’s standing.
Is a page inaccurate or in need of improvements to meet the standards of other pages on SP? Votes of 1-5 will decrease a page’s standing. Try to offer constructive comments that explain your vote if a member has made an honest effort but needs to make changes.
An overview of changes compared to the old system:
The voting algorithm was modified so that 6s though 10s are treated as positive votes to varying degrees, and 1s through 5s lower a page score. Page scores have also been adjusted to cover a larger distribution with most pages ranging from 70% to 95%. A page with a score of 75% is no longer a terrible score like it was in the old system.
Since 6s through 10s increase page scores to varying degrees, members are better able to provide accurate feedback on a page when considering other pages on the site. Members are free to reserve 10s for the very best pages encountered. When receiving a 6 or 7 on a page, this is still benefiting your page score. A 7 is always a positive vote!
Power points have also been adjusted to better reflect the effort and value of various objects, place a greater emphasis on the value of high quality contributions, and to reflect that pages in the 70% to 80% deserve more credit than those scores warranted before. Section 2.3 of the SP FAQs lays out the relative values of different objects and pages, and how increasing scores result in more points.
Previously most high quality pages were worth 20-40% more than lower quality pages, whereas now most of the best pages are worth 40-100% more. Even if a page has only one vote though, it is going to have an impact on your profile so please do not be discouraged!
The point calculation for routes and canyons has been increased from 60% of a mountain page to 80%. The points for an article has been increased to 120% of a mountain page. The lowest scoring images are worth less than before, and the maximum score for an image has decreased to 1 point.
Almost every member’s power point total decreased to varying degrees when compared to SPv2 (every single one of the dozens of members I checked). Still, many members remain unchanged when compared to another’s overall point total. Comparisons to some members may show an increase or decrease in relative ranking due to the sorts of contributions that each member may have been made. |
Thread on the voting system discussion is here (this thread is a beast... the above is a better overview):
Changes to the Voting System
The SP FAQ has also been updated... there is a tiny link at the bottom of every page, and here:
SP FAQ
The relevant FAQ updates are to sections 2.3, 2.5, and 2.6
More changes coming!
Montana Matt is working on more changes, with help from several others. To get an overview and comment on proposals, or make proposals of your own, or see what is being worked on, please check out UserVoice. There is a link at the top of
EVERY SP page, and here:
SummitPost Suggestions / UserVoice
And future updates will be made to this article as well for cricital items Not every little thing though (has everyone noticed you can mark pages as being 'Under Construction'). TONS of work is being done by many great folks and I will not have the opportunity to cover everything!
Now make your voice heard!
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