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Page By: Gabriele Roth

Created/Edited: Jan 17, 2011 / Jan 27, 2011

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how to choose a mountain ...

 
Name finding
 
 
Low Mesolcina map
 
 
Piz Croch e Sass Castel
 
 
il Pizzet
 
 
Sass Mogn e Pizzo Paglia
 
once it was easy ...

When I started to climb (in the sixties) the Alps were still a range to be discovered/explored : maybe they were well known by valley dwellers but info coming to us, poor city dwellers were very little and incomplete, just to choose where to go and move hands and feet in the weekends we needed to ask info to friends, friends of friends etc : this was the birth of the "storm troops", groups of climbers specialized in some alpine ranges.

These specializations, with the passing of time and the quantities of heard info, made some ranges become trendy : the mountains that each wants to see and must climb because without having submitted that summit or climbed that route you are in low repute in alpinistic environments

Next step was the evolution (?) of some ranges to become "brothels" : mountains that all can submit, tho only requirements are a decent fitness and the money enough to buy the necessary gear and, moreover, the time of some people that can lift you up and down without risks or problems: it's only a matter of money !!!

Some ranges are so specialized that have become the reference points in the whole world for all the ones that want to enjoy strong emotions without having the necessary physical and psycologic features that should be used if mountains were a little wilder: it's really horrible, for a climber coming out from Peuterey or Innominata ridge or from Brenva wall routes, getting the summit of Mont Blanc finding a crowd of unskilled people, often equipped with useless and very expensive gear they don't even know how to use, and keep very careful along the descending route, to their movements in the short stretches requiring a little of attention
I've never been in Himalaya but I heard about similar situations ...

In some other ranges in the Alps only in the bottom of the valleys are trendy and you find some problems only along some equipped paths (ferrate): climbing Lavaredo or Badile can be not only a matter of money: something more is needed, physically and psychologically and, sometimes, can be also a matter of age ...

finding the names of the mountains

Some years have passed, I'm getting older and (my wife says) mumbler : there are many thing I don't like anymore or I can't do anymore

But I found another amusing way to spend my time on the mountains : if while climbing a mountain, or from the summit, or from the road, I see a fine shaped mountain I feel wishful to climb it : I oftern happened, in the latest years, to be "called" by mountains: my digital camera shoots and stores image (no more expensive films !!!) ... then I have to look for "what's the name ?", "where is it ?", "how hard can it be to arrive to the summit ?"

I realized that about many many fine shaped mountains, in fine environments and with fine panorama opportunities from their summit, info are really poor and sometimes is really difficult even to discover their names and how high they are.

Maybe there are some guidebooks in local bookshops, maybe they are written in a language we don't understand, maybe we don't want to spend money (normally guidebooks are not cheap) to get some little info about a single mountain : I think the basic info are the name of the summit and its position on a good detailed map, usually the map shows roads, parkings, paths and differences in elevation :

Maybe that Summit Post could be the best site to gather all that kind of info : "ok you are free to post your 2000 photos of Matterhorn" but some people would like better finding more useful info for their weekend hike or climb ... isn't it ?

I've just found the answer to some questions in 2 internet sites

this one (IT-EN-DE) allows to find the names of the range of a photo of yours : just enter the location on the map and the direction where you pointed your lens

this one shows a very detailed map of Switzerland and nearby mountains

And now I'm waiting for some SPer who share my new way of hiking-mountaneering

una volta era più facile

Quando ho incominciato ad arrampicare (anni '60) le montagne erano ancora quasi un terreno da "esplorare" : magari ben conosciute dai valligiani ma le informazioni che avevamo a disposizione noi, poveri cittadini dallo spirito ribelle, erano veramente poche : già per scegliere dove andare a sbattere mani e piedi nel weekend bisognava chiedere ad amici, amici di amici eccetera, si formavano così i "battaglioni di assalto" cioè quei gruppi specializzati in alcune zone alpine

Queste specializzazioni col passar del tempo e delle informazioni trasmesse a voce, davano e han dato origine alle montagne di moda, quelle montagne che tutti vorrebbero vedere e/o salire perchè senza aver fatto quella cima o quella via negli ambienti alpinistici non si è neppure considerati.

L'ulteriore evoluzione purtroppo è stata la trasformazione di certe zone in "bordelli" : montagne dove tutti possono salire, basta avere una decente forma fisica e la disponibilità di soldi che permettano di comperare il materiale necessario e, soprattutto, il tempo di quelle persone che sono in grado di trasportarti sano e salvo su e giù : certo tipo di alpinismo ormai è solo una questione di soldi !!!

Certe zone si sono specializzate al punto da essere diventate riferimento mondiale per tutti coloro che vogliono godere forti emozioni senza aver le necessarie caratteristiche psichiche e fisiche che sarebbero necessarie se le montagne fossero meno addomesticate : è orrendo, per un alpinista che ha salito la Cresta di Peuterey o l'Innominata o una via della Brenva, arrivare in vetta al Monte Bianco, trovarci una massa di gente impreparata, dotata di equipaggiamenti inutilmente costosissimi e di cui non conoscono neppure il corretto utilizzo, e dover stare attenti ai loro movimenti in quei rari pezzi di discesa in cui è opportuno prestare un po' di attenzione
Non sono mai andato in Himalaya ma da quando sento dire anche lì la situazione è simile

In certe altre zone, fortunatamente, la "moda" si ferma nei fondivalle o lungo sentieri più o meno attrezzati, salire le Lavaredo o il Badile può non essere solo una questione di prezzo, è richiesto quel qualcosa in più, fisicamente e psichicamente (pare sia un problema anche l'età ...)


trovare i nomi delle montagne

Sono passati un po' di anni, sono invecchiato e sto diventando (mia moglie dice) un brontolone : sono tante le cose che non mi piacciono più (o che non posso più fare)

Ma ho scoperto che mi piace e soddisfa un nuovo (per me) modo di andare in montagna : se salendo una montagna, o dalla vetta, o dalla strada percorsa, vedo una montagna con un profilo attraente mi vien voglia di salirla.

Mi sono accorto che di tantissime montagne che sono attraenti per il loro profilo, per l'ambiente in cui sono posizionate, per le prospettive panoramiche che si intuisce possano riservare, le informazioni scarseggiano : a volte non si riesce neppure a sapere come si chiamano e quanto sono alte.

Mi è successo spesso, in questi ultimi anni, di vedere montagne che han richiamato la mia attenzione: la mia digitale scatta e memorizza (adesso non c'è più il costo delle pellicola che ci tratteneva) e poi iniziano le ricerche : fin dove si può/deve arrivare con i mezzi di trasporto, che dislivello bisogna mettere in conto, che difficoltà tecniche si devono affrontare ecc.

E' vero, probabilmente ci sono libri che riportano tutte le indicazioni, probabilmente si possono trovare nelle librerie locali, ma spesso sono in lingua a noi sconosciuta e, sempre, sono piuttosto costosi, troppo per avere 2 informazioni sull'unica cimetta che ci interessa :)

Può darsi che SP sia il posto adatto dove condividere certe informazioni, senz'altro più utili delle 2000 foto del Cervino scattate da Zermatt e dintorni

Dopo tanto penare ho scoperto che tante risposte, relative alle montagne svizzere o comunque abbastanza vicine alla Svizzera, possono essere trovate utilizzando questi 2 siti internet :

questo (IT-EN-DE) permette di comparare le proprie fotografie con un profilo panoramico costruito topograficamente per trovare i nomi delle montagna - è sufficiente impostare sulla mappa il luogo di ripresa e la direzione in cui è stata scattata la foto

questo invece permette di visualizzare una mappa dettagliata

E con questo invito altri membri di SP che condividono questo mio modo di fare escursionismo e montagna a proporre soluzioni analoghe, grazie
:)


Images

Ledro Alps namedSass Mogn e Pizzo Pagliail PizzetLow Mesolcina mapPiz Croch e Sass CastelName finding

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MarcsoltanSorry, Gabriele, but...

Marcsoltan

Voted 10/10

I like the old ways better. I am an amateur astronomer and I used to know the entire northern hemisphere by heart. A few years ago I attended a star party. Everyone there had their new fancy telescopes and put the coordinates into the computer and the telescope would automatically swing around and point in the desired direction. I soon found out that none of these new astronomers really knew where the objects were.
There is something to be said about the old ways we used to do things. Asking the name of a mountain from the locals is a good thing. It brings you close to the culture of the area, as well as their mountains. That said, I really like your article. It reminds me of my own beginnings.
Cheers,
Marc
Posted Jan 19, 2011 6:46 pm

Gabriele RothRe: Sorry, Gabriele, but...

Gabriele Roth

Hasn't voted

:)
thanks but ...
I used to ask info to locals but ... have you ever tried to ask info about mountains to a Bellinzona dweller ?
:)
Posted Jan 20, 2011 2:18 am

MarcsoltanRe: Sorry, Gabriele, but...

Marcsoltan

Voted 10/10

No, I have not. I imagine they'll try to take your jacket off your back, or may be your wallet. I know what you mean Gabriele. I do like your links and I may end up using them at some point in time.
;-)
Posted Jan 20, 2011 9:35 am

Gabriele RothRe: Sorry, Gabriele, but...

Gabriele Roth

Hasn't voted

Noooooooooooooooo, don't think it bad :)
simply most of them (and the locals of many other valleys) simply sometimes don't even realize they're living among mountains ... "the name of that mountain ?, which one ? a mountain ? ... boh !!"
(where BOH is normally used as "I don't know and don't care")
Posted Jan 20, 2011 9:56 am

mvsI like your spirit...

mvs

Voted 10/10

You do the mountains honor by keeping them new and somewhat strange in your mind. Rather than read words in guidebooks that have bloomed and grown yellow since your first explorations, you rediscover them with a 21st century computer technique...which is all to the good because it gets you back out among them, with more excitement of the unknown than a typical step A,B,C guidebook to-day could ever give!

And weren't valley-dwellers ever thus? Didn't most of them walk around with clouds over their heads, completely uncaring of the limestone and eternal snows 1000 meters above?

It's great to see this thought-provoking article from you, ciao Gabriele!
Posted Jan 26, 2011 6:08 pm

Gabriele RothRe: I like your spirit...

Gabriele Roth

Hasn't voted

thanks :)
I've always liked to be propositional :)
Posted Jan 27, 2011 3:25 am

klwagarHi

klwagar

Hasn't voted

The area I live in was once considered very remote and no info on routes or mountains really existed. Over a series of years over the last 50 there has been two guides - one so vast that it is almost a mystery and the other for hiking. Then a bunch of small local guides but again hiking and localized extremely. I spent a life time exploring and getting to know the mountains. I've passed it on to new climbers - routes and gps spots and they have taken it farther and harder. I derived satisfaction from it but because these are still pretty remote areas not many people will ever go into them so the idea of crowds waiting won't happen but it is something I've struggled with - do I tell people about my route or not and how detailed. The feeling of exploration and sastifaction will be lost. I told wrong people of a hiking route through the bush and now it is actually crowded, published and ruined - I won't make that mistake twice.
However, the mapping places you show are wonderful. Photos and maps - you figure it out. Love it.
Posted Jan 30, 2011 4:19 pm

Gabriele RothRe: Hi

Gabriele Roth

Hasn't voted

I feel slightly envious with you :)
In the Alps there are not many wild areas and they're small, normally the central point of a "wild" area is not more than 10-15 km from the roads ... I have to get satisfied with what I find :)
ciao :)
Posted Feb 3, 2011 11:25 am

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