I'll be the first to vote on this page. A little complex for my taste, but anyone interested in the climbing the group certainly will have a good resource.
Oh, man! What a page again! Congratulations, Gnagolf! You know - this is just in time. I just returned from a 4-days Dolomites hike, and on the second day we also summited Marmolada - Punta di Penia, of course. I have many very nice pictures :-))
Well, it takes about 4h to the German Alps but since the Alps are the huge weather divide in Europe we always do our vacations south of the main ridges. And this takes another 4-5h :-(
Concerning your WWI question I looked it up in one of my books. Manmade avalanches seem not to have been employed in the Dolomites - probably because the mountains are way too vertical for avalanche buildup. But they fought fierce battles around the mountains that have commanding positions above the passes (or high plateaus) like Col di Lana (which is just visible in my overview map to the northeast of Padon - not marked though), Monte Paterno and Monte Piano/Piana in the Sexten Dolomites.
Especially the latter is fascinating for us today. It is a small mountain above the Höhlenstein Valley which is flat with a summit ridge of less than 1km but huge drops into the valley below. The Italians had the southern part of the mountain, the Austrians/Germans the northern one (I forget which is Piano, which is Piana). The Italians had easy access along the southern slopes but the Austrians had to bring their cannons and other equipment up there by a steep, narrow and winding trail - which even nowadays is not easy to ascend. They fought each other for three years without any results......
And the saddest thing is that the best alpinists and mounaineers of the day killed each other instead of climbing something together.. ...
I suppose it is similar in the Pakistan - Afghanistan border area nowadays.....
Thanks Dean! I'm - sort of - on automatic on the regular pages but overview pages need a lot more input. Still once you have a "framework" that works for you (sequence of sections - what has to go in which section, which info do I show) it gets quite straightforward. I found a great compilation page with all the huts, bivouacs and refuges in the alps - so I just have to go there and look for the info which I put in my tables. Just an example - and google does the rest. My framework has been set with the Puez-Geisler Group page and I adapted it to Pale di San Martino, Latemar, Prags Dolomites and Sexten Dolomites.
And I guess I don't need to tell you that I love reading maps and dreaming about the mountains they show ;-)
hgrapid - Aug 5, 2004 4:20 pm - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentI'll be the first to vote on this page. A little complex for my taste, but anyone interested in the climbing the group certainly will have a good resource.
Gangolf Haub - Aug 6, 2004 1:41 am - Hasn't voted
Untitled CommentThanks! You're damn right I put a lot of work in that. Only think of the tags (bold and underlines). But doing the maps took me two weeks :-(
Have a nice weekend
Gangolf
Pawkala - Aug 5, 2004 7:19 pm - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentGreat Page...
mtwashingtonmonroe - Aug 5, 2004 7:27 pm - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentGreat job again Gangolf! Have a good one!
Gangolf Haub - Aug 6, 2004 1:42 am - Hasn't voted
Untitled CommentThanks Brit! Now that this sucker is done you bet I will have a good weekend. Perhaps even climb something :-)))
BobSmith - Aug 5, 2004 8:32 pm - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentWow! What a profile! Tremendous group of peaks!
Vid Pogachnik - Aug 6, 2004 4:30 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentOh, man! What a page again! Congratulations, Gnagolf! You know - this is just in time. I just returned from a 4-days Dolomites hike, and on the second day we also summited Marmolada - Punta di Penia, of course. I have many very nice pictures :-))
Moni - Aug 6, 2004 9:50 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentThorough overview. Great job as always!
nader - Aug 6, 2004 10:57 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentComprehensive page. Great pictures.
Gangolf Haub - Aug 6, 2004 11:16 am - Hasn't voted
Untitled CommentThanks Nader. I wish I was there right now. Vid told me that he had been there last week and - man - am I envious.....
Have a nice weekend
Gangolf
nader - Aug 6, 2004 2:47 pm - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentHow long a drive is it from Mainz to southern Germany/Northern Austria where you might climb some good mountains? Can you do it in a weekend?
I had heard in WWI they used to fire into the mountains to create avalanches. Maybe some of it happened in the Marmolada Group?
Gangolf Haub - Aug 7, 2004 1:39 am - Hasn't voted
Untitled CommentWell, it takes about 4h to the German Alps but since the Alps are the huge weather divide in Europe we always do our vacations south of the main ridges. And this takes another 4-5h :-(
Concerning your WWI question I looked it up in one of my books. Manmade avalanches seem not to have been employed in the Dolomites - probably because the mountains are way too vertical for avalanche buildup. But they fought fierce battles around the mountains that have commanding positions above the passes (or high plateaus) like Col di Lana (which is just visible in my overview map to the northeast of Padon - not marked though), Monte Paterno and Monte Piano/Piana in the Sexten Dolomites.
Especially the latter is fascinating for us today. It is a small mountain above the Höhlenstein Valley which is flat with a summit ridge of less than 1km but huge drops into the valley below. The Italians had the southern part of the mountain, the Austrians/Germans the northern one (I forget which is Piano, which is Piana). The Italians had easy access along the southern slopes but the Austrians had to bring their cannons and other equipment up there by a steep, narrow and winding trail - which even nowadays is not easy to ascend. They fought each other for three years without any results......
And the saddest thing is that the best alpinists and mounaineers of the day killed each other instead of climbing something together.. ...
I suppose it is similar in the Pakistan - Afghanistan border area nowadays.....
Man never learns
Jerry L - Aug 7, 2004 5:53 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentAs usual, excellent and interesting.
Gangolf Haub - Aug 7, 2004 3:46 pm - Hasn't voted
Untitled CommentThanks a lot. Actually for me it's quite fun to look at the maps put up the lists and wish I was there......
Gangolf Haub - Aug 7, 2004 3:47 pm - Hasn't voted
Untitled CommentThanks Marco. I wish you a happy remainder of your holidays..... (I'm pretty envious)
maria grazia s - Aug 8, 2004 3:31 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentMy best compliments for your enormous work. Very nice page indeed!
Gangolf Haub - Aug 8, 2004 3:44 am - Hasn't voted
Untitled CommentGrazie! I needed a break from Sardegna ;-)
Dean - Aug 19, 2004 2:03 pm - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentThis is one of the finest pages I've seen but it is typical of the way you always put your best effort in to make it really informative. Bravo.
Gangolf Haub - Aug 19, 2004 2:39 pm - Hasn't voted
Untitled CommentThanks Dean! I'm - sort of - on automatic on the regular pages but overview pages need a lot more input. Still once you have a "framework" that works for you (sequence of sections - what has to go in which section, which info do I show) it gets quite straightforward. I found a great compilation page with all the huts, bivouacs and refuges in the alps - so I just have to go there and look for the info which I put in my tables. Just an example - and google does the rest. My framework has been set with the Puez-Geisler Group page and I adapted it to Pale di San Martino, Latemar, Prags Dolomites and Sexten Dolomites.
And I guess I don't need to tell you that I love reading maps and dreaming about the mountains they show ;-)
Definitely part of the fun of SP - for me.
Rafa Bartolome - Aug 24, 2004 6:10 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled Commentmamma mia!
great work and effort