With all due respect, it looks like you still have lessons to learn from your climb. Didn't you say you wanted to warn people of dangers? But you are spending all your comments defending yourselves and your decisions. This directly takes away from your stated aim of providing a cautionary tale.
Try to realize on some level that you won't be able to appreciate just how valuable some of this "criticism" is until you yourselves see it in a real life situation.
And remember how little you knew even five years ago? How naive you were? How many things you weren't even aware of? Well, flash into the future for a second and try to see yourselves in the future. Think how much more you will know! Then you will see the wisdom in your summitpost "critics."
In the meantime, maybe you can get trained to join the squad that rescued you. It sounds like at least 30 people risked their lives to save you- now you need to go out and save 30 people!
I just saw your apology article and thought I would read the report because I always like learning from the mistakes of others, rather than my own :)
If you hadn't posted the apology I might have posted something like, "You're stupid, don't overestimate experience and leave essential gear at home." Now, though, since you seem to have certainly realized your mistakes, I'll just say this: I'm glad SAR didn't have to come for bodies, and I hope others can learn from this incident.
I'll admit this is one of the few trip reports I took great attention to observing the details and spending at least an hour looking over. This reminds me an awful deal of an experience I had in the North Cascades. The thought to this day brings a chill to me being so close to a potentially fatal situation, and looking below just thinking "Am I going to make it out of this?". And then in the next moment having the worse cramp in my life as well as having a pulsing head ache with a stormy environment all around you. Every step being precious, making every kick as though it would be your last, believe me I know what it's like. And then later on dealing with being super cold. I have to say, we are lucky men! To this day I can look out and watch the sunrise and whisper to myself "I am lucky to be alive with the experience I had" but the experience has made me a stronger person, in a sense it helped give a grasp on not taking life from granted. And of course in future mountaineering to always put safety first! But it's a constant challenge sometimes...
Anyways I also saw your other post which was honorable of you to post that. I know you had a tough time, but you seem like a cool guy, and I'm pretty sure you have learned a lot from this experience.
God Bless :-D
And Happy Climbing!
Just want to give an update to all the armchair critics who were bashing and shaming Noah for this 13 years ago...Noah has gone on to become a very accomplished climber, and went on to do much more badass things than 99% of the commenters here.
noahs213 - Oct 27, 2010 11:58 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Q&Ahttp://www.summitpost.org/view_object.php?object_id=674905&confirm_post=12
GEM Trail - Feb 24, 2010 10:00 pm - Hasn't voted
Best of luckBest of luck to you guys in the future.
With all due respect, it looks like you still have lessons to learn from your climb. Didn't you say you wanted to warn people of dangers? But you are spending all your comments defending yourselves and your decisions. This directly takes away from your stated aim of providing a cautionary tale.
Try to realize on some level that you won't be able to appreciate just how valuable some of this "criticism" is until you yourselves see it in a real life situation.
And remember how little you knew even five years ago? How naive you were? How many things you weren't even aware of? Well, flash into the future for a second and try to see yourselves in the future. Think how much more you will know! Then you will see the wisdom in your summitpost "critics."
In the meantime, maybe you can get trained to join the squad that rescued you. It sounds like at least 30 people risked their lives to save you- now you need to go out and save 30 people!
noahs213 - Oct 27, 2010 11:58 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Best of luckhttp://www.summitpost.org/view_object.php?object_id=674905&confirm_post=12
LuminousAphid - Nov 1, 2010 12:15 pm - Hasn't voted
Glad you got outI just saw your apology article and thought I would read the report because I always like learning from the mistakes of others, rather than my own :)
If you hadn't posted the apology I might have posted something like, "You're stupid, don't overestimate experience and leave essential gear at home." Now, though, since you seem to have certainly realized your mistakes, I'll just say this: I'm glad SAR didn't have to come for bodies, and I hope others can learn from this incident.
Josh Lewis - Apr 10, 2011 3:04 am - Voted 10/10
Epic! Certainly a good Read!I'll admit this is one of the few trip reports I took great attention to observing the details and spending at least an hour looking over. This reminds me an awful deal of an experience I had in the North Cascades. The thought to this day brings a chill to me being so close to a potentially fatal situation, and looking below just thinking "Am I going to make it out of this?". And then in the next moment having the worse cramp in my life as well as having a pulsing head ache with a stormy environment all around you. Every step being precious, making every kick as though it would be your last, believe me I know what it's like. And then later on dealing with being super cold. I have to say, we are lucky men! To this day I can look out and watch the sunrise and whisper to myself "I am lucky to be alive with the experience I had" but the experience has made me a stronger person, in a sense it helped give a grasp on not taking life from granted. And of course in future mountaineering to always put safety first! But it's a constant challenge sometimes...
Anyways I also saw your other post which was honorable of you to post that. I know you had a tough time, but you seem like a cool guy, and I'm pretty sure you have learned a lot from this experience.
God Bless :-D
And Happy Climbing!
thatnissanguy - Jun 11, 2012 8:32 pm - Hasn't voted
Incorrect parent?Noah, you have this page listed as a child of the South Ridge of The Spider. Just a heads up!
noahs213 - Jun 11, 2012 9:06 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Incorrect parent?I changed it. Don't know how I did that. Thanks for the heads up!
McCannster - Jul 27, 2022 3:25 pm - Voted 10/10
13 year updateJust want to give an update to all the armchair critics who were bashing and shaming Noah for this 13 years ago...Noah has gone on to become a very accomplished climber, and went on to do much more badass things than 99% of the commenters here.