mrchad9 wrote:Neo- I can assure you all of the opinions I have expressed here are consistant with those that I have in real life. My comment on the article on the content side of the site- where I have no reason to rile anyone up...

I'm happy for the controversy over this one. I don't usually read trip reports, prefer to go on my own outings more, suppose I am selfish. But hearing rumblings I decided to give it a read and glad I did.

Sounds like an awesome trip and and memorable experience you will have the rest of your life, and your story had me from beginning to end. I see no reason for any regrets. No one was hurt, stolen from, abused, blah blah. The tribes will be fine. And your photos are spectacular.

I guess I am taking the less popular postion. Takes courage.

Some folks have even changed their initial votes from 10 to 1 after reading it more carefully, or following the pack perhaps.

kamil wrote:I see your point but that's imho a bit of a biased assumption. This is a climbers' and ramblers' community. Ever heard of the Freedom to Roam?

Neophiteat48 wrote:As I stated, I was referring to your prior 2 posts, NOT all of them and NOT your overall position on this.

mrchad9 wrote:

The Chief wrote:That is a point that many I feel, do not get nor really seem to care about.

You know what else? If they had gotten injured on one of those frightening traverses, they should have rights to a SAR being executed too. FREE OF CHARGE!

SoCalHiker wrote:

kamil wrote:I see your point but that's imho a bit of a biased assumption. This is a climbers' and ramblers' community. Ever heard of the Freedom to Roam?

But people seem to forget that exercising one's right at all costs and in all circumstances always impinges other people's rights as well

SoCalHiker wrote:

kamil wrote:I see your point but that's imho a bit of a biased assumption. This is a climbers' and ramblers' community. Ever heard of the Freedom to Roam?

But people seem to forget that exercising one's right at all costs and in all circumstances always impinges other people's rights as well

SoCalHiker wrote:btw, it's a first someone called me "old fart". I am not sure how to take this but I am glad I am one in that context.

kamil wrote:

SoCalHiker wrote:

kamil wrote:I see your point but that's imho a bit of a biased assumption. This is a climbers' and ramblers' community. Ever heard of the Freedom to Roam?

But people seem to forget that exercising one's right at all costs and in all circumstances always impinges other people's rights as well

I also said that with rights come responsibilities, that was one of the points of my post...

Arthur Digbee wrote:
Welcome to the club!

When next you level up, you'll reach the rank of "curmudgeon."

Everyone, whatever their age or ability, can exercise access
rights over most land and inland water in Scotland, at any time
of day or night, providing they do so responsibly. These rights
do not extend to all places or to all activities (see paragraphs
2.11 to 2.15). Provided you do so responsibly (see Parts 3 and
5 of the Code), you can exercise access rights in places such
as:
• hills, mountains and moorland;
• woods and forests;
• most urban parks, country parks and other managed open
spaces;
• rivers, lochs, canals and reservoirs;
• riverbanks, loch shores, beaches and the coastline;
• land in which crops have not been sown;
• on the margins of fields3 where crops are growing or have
been sown;
• grassland, including grass being grown for hay or silage
(except when it is at such a late stage of growth that it is
likely to be damaged);
• fields where there are horses, cattle and other farm animals;
• on all core paths agreed by the local authority4;
• on all other paths and tracks where these cross land on
which access rights can be exercised;
• on grass sports or playing fields, when not in use, and on
land or inland water developed or set out for a recreational
purpose, unless the exercise of access rights would
interfere with the carrying on of that recreational use;
• golf courses, but only for crossing them and providing that
you do not take access across greens or interfere with any
games of golf;
• on, through or over bridges, tunnels, causeways, launching
sites, groynes, weirs, boulder weirs, embankments of canals
and similar waterways, fences, walls or anything designed
to facilitate access (such as gates or stiles).
2.3 You can also exercise access rights above or below the land
(for example, you can exercise access rights in the air and in
caves). Access rights apply under water as well as on the
surface.
2.4 You can exercise access rights at any time of the day or night,
provided you do so responsibly. The Code provides specific
guidance on responsible access at night (see paragraphs 3.19
and 3.20).

lcarreau wrote:Personally, I don't give a ratass about what appears on SP's front page. All I care about is getting dinner...

mrchad9 wrote:

lcarreau wrote:Personally, I don't give a ratass about what appears on SP's front page. All I care about is getting dinner...

Well its already nearly 8:00 and you're late for dinner.

mrchad9 wrote:Never trespassed?