It's obvious from Dow's posts that he's been drinking again. . .
That, or he's just an unhappy climber. . . My sympathies.
by dskoon » Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:29 am
by drpw » Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:58 am
by WouterB » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:46 am
Dow Williams wrote:somebody needs to explain to me what these fancy bags do for you...
by splattski » Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:18 pm
by welle » Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:23 pm
MoapaPk wrote:I go through about two pairs of approach shoes, and one pack, per year. Perhaps they aren't totally failed; but big rips in packs (like between the shoulder blades) and worn-thin fabric, and flat or flapping soles on trail runners, usually signal time to look for another deal. The culprit is usually abrasion from siliceous limestone, volcanic rock, and sandstone chimneys.
FortMental wrote:Blame outfits like Patagonia, Mountain Hardwear, and others for promoting the "Outdoor Lifestyle", even when your hobby is interiror decorating and you insurance for a living.
What the hell is that, anyway... the outdoor lifestyle?
by crackers » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:41 pm
bearbreeder wrote:the thing with the outdoor gear industry, is that they are there to sell you more, more and more ... even when there is no real practical benefit?
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in this economy, id rather the money be spent on more practical things, and someone who doesnt know better doesnt think he needs a BD. dead bird, patagucci, etc ...
thank fully enough for actual climbing gear there is much less bull than for clothing ... probably because it all needs to be tested, and specs of the gear are known ... thus allowing for more comparison and less mumbo jumbo
a person should know that they dont needs the newest fancy dead bird gamma or south butt kistwar softshell to climb, as a windshirt and fleece will work better and be cheaper in most cases
marketing in the outdoor industry exists to separate a fool from his money ... you really dont believe they sponsor all those bums out of the goodness of their blessed made in china hearts do ya now
i own and use
- fission AR
- Beta AR
- gamma SV
- Alpha SV pants
- Gamma LT pants
- Gamma SK pants
- Atom LT hoodie
- Solano jacket
- Gamma LT jacket
- Tau Jacket
- 3 various dead bird fleeces
- 4 various dead bird polartec sweaters
- dead bird 350x harness
by bearbreeder » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:03 pm
by welle » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:52 pm
by bearbreeder » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:06 pm
by welle » Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:09 pm
by coldfoot » Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:24 pm
MoapaPk wrote:I had an eye-opener when I ordered some synthetic wicking, soft-touch shirts with our club logo printed on the back and front. They are great shirts, and the price with printing and shipping came to $27 each. I see similar shirts in REI for $40.
Then I discovered that the unprinted "blanks" sell wholesale to printers for $5 apiece, and those are likely marked up in price by the wholesale distributors.
Admittedly, shirts are simple items, not requiring a lot of human-involved manufacturing. The mark-up you see at REI on such items covers the cost of keeping inventory, paying for the employees, the building of the stores, paying the downstream costs of Nike, TNF or whomever, etc.
by bearbreeder » Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:05 pm
welle wrote:Few things: superior stitching, superior fit, signature ironclad guarantee, chest pocket, hood comes up to the chin, recycled materials, 1% for the Planet and I don't have to pay shipping and customs for getting stuff from Canada. .
by minimalistix » Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:22 pm
by welle » Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:34 pm
bearbreeder wrote:welle wrote:Few things: superior stitching, superior fit, signature ironclad guarantee, chest pocket, hood comes up to the chin, recycled materials, 1% for the Planet and I don't have to pay shipping and customs for getting stuff from Canada. .
i actually dont find there to be much difference in the quality ... Mec caries both the r1 anf their knockoff
mec's warranty is the same as rei's in practice ... i've returned gear there years afterwards
as to contributing ... Mec was instrumental in contributibg to the smoke bluffs prov park in squamish to protect climbing and recently helped protec the malamute there
the way i look at it with the $88 i save i can donate half of that to a charity of my choice, get a tax writeoff and still save $44 dollars
Eb first ascent has a powderdry hoody that is functionally the same for $99 with their great warranty .... Not to mention their crazy after xmas sales
what are we really paying for when we buy these yuppie brands?
by MoapaPk » Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:45 pm
welle wrote:MoapaPk wrote:I go through about two pairs of approach shoes, and one pack, per year. Perhaps they aren't totally failed; but big rips in packs (like between the shoulder blades) and worn-thin fabric, and flat or flapping soles on trail runners, usually signal time to look for another deal. The culprit is usually abrasion from siliceous limestone, volcanic rock, and sandstone chimneys.
Moapa, maybe you need to talk to Crackers and get a real pack that lasts. Like someone above said "Buy it nice or buy it twice". There are still pack makers around that build things to last and not get replaced every year.
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