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by RickF » Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:47 am

fatdad wrote:The effects on vision of people who have had radial keratotomy. I heard of instance of people on Everest having vision problems. Supposedly the lack of air pressure at higher altitudes permits the eyes to bulge out more, but I don't know if this theory has ever been tested or at what altitude the effects become noticeable.


The very well known case of this was Beck Wethers on Everest in 1996. His vision difficulties were only the beginning of much bigger problems that followed.

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by xDoogiex » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:41 am

The effect of high altitude on hot teachers. Hopefully they could fund me.

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by WouterB » Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:49 am

xDoogiex wrote:The effect of high altitude on hot teachers. Hopefully they could fund me.


I'm guessing they'll have to "fund" the teachers for that one. :wink:

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by WouterB » Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:59 am

I've also been thinking about studies that don't heavily rely on funding. One I came up with is altitudes influence on taste. I guess most of us have been in the situation that your favorite food at sea level is totally unbearable at altitude.

I must admit that the idea of testing the effects of supplements at altitude/on acclimatisation is starting to grow more and more on me. I've consistently had acclimatisation difficulties in the past, so finding a solution (or something that eases the pain) does sound good to me.

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by peladoboton » Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:59 am

sjarelkwint wrote:
peladoboton wrote:so lets puts some data to it, boys!!!!


2012 was said?


yup, the month of January

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by peladoboton » Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:04 pm

WouterB wrote:I've also been thinking about studies that don't heavily rely on funding. One I came up with is altitudes influence on taste. I guess most of us have been in the situation that your favorite food at sea level is totally unbearable at altitude.

I must admit that the idea of testing the effects of supplements at altitude/on acclimatisation is starting to grow more and more on me. I've consistently had acclimatisation difficulties in the past, so finding a solution (or something that eases the pain) does sound good to me.


yeah, i'm the same. when i was 20 i took a bus ride from sea level where i had been living in chile to 4300m to Lago Chungara on the Bolivian border. though it was slow i went for a great hike. last year, i had some problems at 3800m on a trip where i had plenty of time to acclimatize.

i like the cobalt idea a lot as its cheap and seems to be a pre-trip treatment that folks could take before the trip and then we could just go climb a mountain. i think its one of many great ideas we should have on the table at this point, though.

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by peladoboton » Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:06 pm

squishy wrote:Alcohol consumption...


i hear a lot of people get sauced at base camp after the climb, Squish, so we could individualize a "study" for you :D

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by WouterB » Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:55 pm

sjarelkwint wrote:
peladoboton wrote:
squishy wrote:Alcohol consumption...

i hear a lot of people get sauced at base camp after the climb, Squish, so we could individualize a "study" for you :D


Last year I've been drinking a bottle of wine with 2 persons at iceberg lake (Mt Whitney - 3900m???) And I was giggling like a 12 year old girl who drank alcohol for the first time in het life ...

It was great :-D


Sounds like saturday :o

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by WouterB » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:31 pm

Borut Kantušer wrote:Sjarelkwint,are you suggesting to smoke in the valley so as to get used to being out of breath when you're up higher?


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by WouterB » Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:21 pm

Christine,

Good to hear from you again and thanks a lot for the rather lenghty contribution. I'm still very much interested in this, as I'm still set on a) climbing Aconcagua in 2012 and b) helping out summit post user Peladoboton, who is the one that will actually be conducting the research. I'll forward your contribution to him, as I read that he won't be online for a while because of his exams.

Thanks again!

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by peladoboton » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:34 pm

i like your train of thought, kristine.

i am still interested in l-arginine myself, but the vitamin E could be a great one to lood at. n-acetyl-cystine would be awesome because you can get it over the counter for dirt cheap in the form of 'mucomyst'. i have not seen any data on that one where altitude is concerned.

i also would love to look at sleep stages at altitude (especially as i just bagged my climbing day after two days without sleep in iowa and driving straight out to colorado last night....and hardly having energy to get out of bed now that i'm a mile higher....the four days of heavy training last week which ended with a 55 mile bike ride and a long treadmill session could have something to with it)....all the easter treats at my mom's is seeming to help, though.

i also agree that getting enough folks involved is an issue. the number of people needed to actually get statistical power is about the number of people that attempt aconcagua each year. if we were crazy enough we could attempt to do this over a number of years in a location such as colorado or france where altitude is attained easily to 13.5K+ feet.

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by Brad Marshall » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:30 pm

Here's a research project. Like many women out there my daughter suffers from constant headaches varying in degrees of pain. She felt it was linked to changes in weather and her symptoms sounded very similar to AMS. Out of curiousity, I'm in research, I decided to chart here daily pain level versus the local barometric pressure. Over three months there was definitely a correlation. Whenever the local barometric pressure dropped her pain level increased. The faster the drop the larger the jump in pain level. I then checked how quickly the barometric pressure changed when low pressure zones entered the area and to my disbelief it was much faster than climbers when they ascend a mountain. Many women around the world suffer from headaches (migraines) and believe they are triggered by weather patterns. Could it be that something in their genetic makeup is allowing them to be affected by changes in barometric pressure below 10,000 feet when most of us are not?

If this was the case and you could find out why think of all the people around the world that could be helped!

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by drpw » Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:11 pm

I think the pot study would actually be very interesting. When I'm hiking and climbing with my regular group, there are stoners and people who won't touch the stuff, and every time without fail, the stoners have no problem with altitude while those who don't smoke have missed out on a few summits due to altitude problems.

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by peladoboton » Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:48 pm

drpw wrote:I think the pot study would actually be very interesting. When I'm hiking and climbing with my regular group, there are stoners and people who won't touch the stuff, and every time without fail, the stoners have no problem with altitude while those who don't smoke have missed out on a few summits due to altitude problems.


the stoners likely are very used to have thier physiology messed with on a regular basis compared with the non-touchers (the group i happen to find myself in)....

....i have always thought about ed vieturs' comment on how he spent hundred of hours swimming growing up, and pushing himself to take fewer and fewer breaths while doing so to push his system to be able to take more stress ('No Shortcuts To The Top')

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by drpw » Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:00 pm

peladoboton wrote:
drpw wrote:I think the pot study would actually be very interesting. When I'm hiking and climbing with my regular group, there are stoners and people who won't touch the stuff, and every time without fail, the stoners have no problem with altitude while those who don't smoke have missed out on a few summits due to altitude problems.


the stoners likely are very used to have thier physiology messed with on a regular basis compared with the non-touchers (the group i happen to find myself in)....

....i have always thought about ed vieturs' comment on how he spent hundred of hours swimming growing up, and pushing himself to take fewer and fewer breaths while doing so to push his system to be able to take more stress ('No Shortcuts To The Top')


Almost every competitive swimmer does some sort of hypoxic workout. I did a lot of hypoxic swimming since I was a long distance swimmer and I used it as a sort of relaxation excersize for the first half of a lot of my swims. I have not ever had any trouble with altitude up to 14,500 except for breathing a little harder.

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