by kamil » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:02 pm
by kamil » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:19 pm
by visentin » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:06 am
kamil wrote:I'm opening this thread inspired by recent similar threads about N.America.
Info about unclimbed peaks in Europe is hard to find, simply because there aren't many of them and if there are any, they must be really at the back of beyond.
kamil wrote:Otherwise they would be well known and climbed long ago in our totally explored little continent.
kamil wrote:Are there any unclimbed 'uns, or first climbed let's say in the last 10 years? I know of a few in Albania, even made one rather certain and one possible FA there. There's one 2000-er in Bosnia & Herzegovina (Prenj mtns) that had its probable FA some time in 2000-03 if I remember correctly
kamil wrote:Picos de Europa in Spain
by kamil » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:56 am
kamil wrote:I know of a few in Albania, even made one rather certain and one possible FA there. There's one 2000-er in Bosnia & Herzegovina (Prenj mtns) that had its probable FA some time in 2000-03 if I remember correctly
visentin wrote:Possible, cetainly partly because they are located in remote countries that remaided apart of mass tourism for decades. But were they technically difficult ?
kamil wrote:Picos de Europa in Spain
visentin wrote:You may find some steep towers here and there, but again, not major ones. Let's ask in the Spanish team
by visentin » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:43 pm
by kamil » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:17 pm
visentin wrote:Most of the mountains of Europe have a very long tradition of pastoralism, then most of them until grade II or II+ were certainly climbed at any time.
Then comes the differenciation of "first ascent" and "first known ascent". Most of the pioneers of 18th and 19th considered themselves as the first as soon as there was no any obvious written proof of earlier presence. But it doesn't always mean it wasn't climbed before.
One good example is the Punta Suelza whose page I made recently, and whose story with Russell I found by reading books during the time writting it.
by visentin » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:17 pm
kamil wrote:That's a very good page of yours BTW
Hard to determine in many cases. There's one peak in Albania which a party that climbed it in 2005 claims as their 'first ascent' or 'first known ascent'. The latter more like - it's accessible with no climbing at all, even hardly any scrambling. The one I climbed in 2006 however takes some effort to climb via the only relatively easier route and there was neither a cairn nor any other human trace at the summit. And unlike that first one it's quite an obscure peak, well visible only from a few places. You never know
by kamil » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:52 pm
by kamil » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:57 pm
by kamil » Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:27 pm
by visentin » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:32 pm
by visentin » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:49 am
RicardoEchanove1 (Google translated) wrote:I saw a post that talked about if we in Europe are unclimbed mountains,
Do you think that there will be minimal needle or without top coat in Spain, or at least a wall or canal without being made whole?
Javier Urrutia, Mendikat, wrote in http://www.mendiak.net/modules.php?name ... c&start=15
"We have also some monoliths in the area Covaruña a cavity very famous in the area, surrounded by legends and such. One has a strong edge without going to III is most spectacular and most excellent rock. Other monoliths like the Polvedar Bolo or the "Small Naranjo de Bulnes" de la Pena Zapatero are unscalable. "
Diego Sahagún wrote:I'm sure there are still many unclimbed routes, even in Spain, but do not think that because you climb a rare side of a mountain that it is a virgin, because sometimes you get surprises ...
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