After sending an email to the elves about a post of me which got changed without any explaination (which i got afterwards after asking for it) a thread title has been edited.

I wouldn't mind if the elve who edits the post would post a note in the post or would leave a note. Instead the thing you post is edited without any explaination.

The thread title had some "non-christian" language in it due to which some people took offense. It was the f-word (oh no, not the f word we use in every sentance we make in the states!!!)

The title got edited in some kind of lolcat post. So I changed it back to the original one because i didn't receive any explaination on why it was changed ... No explaination still means that elves are abusing their power not to moderate but to get their point through. Big part of moderation is to moderate and try to explain what has been wrong so in future events the same thing wouldn't occure. Due to no explaination I thought it was ok to post it up like that ... And i still didn't receive any explaination...

I always tried to reply in PM but since i was looking for feedback of a way I want to climb a route it is well appreciated that it isn't even allowed to check for feedback on routes on SP!

As stated before ... SP is great since PNP has been deleted! Thanks elves!

If you don't know why a thread entitled "Fuck this all..." isn't appropriate for the front page or why it got deleted after you restored the original title, it's not worth explaining.

I didn't edit the title but did delete the thread after you changed it back. That's all the explanation I'll bother with on this one.

Bob Sihler wrote:If you don't know why a thread entitled "Fuck this all..." isn't appropriate for the front page or why it got deleted after you restored the original title, it's not worth explaining.

I didn't edit the title but did delete the thread after you changed it back. That's all the explanation I'll bother with on this one.

Because I have a Fuck this all feeling i can't use the f word because of what reason?
The reason why it was named that way was explained in the post but thanks for deleting!

Changed it back because one of the elves gave it a ridiculous title which i didn't like. Changing it back was the most logical way. Just as changing my post back to the original content a few weeks ago ...

EDIT: If you edit something the minimal you can do is to leave a "edited by" note at the end of a post so you can ask for feedback. I didn't want to go through the whole process AGAIN of asking an elve to check which elve had changed it ...

But thanks for deleting it ... I will search my info elsewhere!

The title the elves selected was much more descriptive.

MoapaPk wrote:The title the elves selected was much more descriptive.

Not in my mind and in the reason why i posted the whole thread. Even if it would be more descriptive it wouldn't attrack the same amount of attention ...

Bob Sihler wrote: Fuckin' fuckety fuck.

But using this in a post is allowed? Posted by yourself!

See, I would have seen the change and thought, "huh, I guess I was too offensive, oh well." As long as the content of my message was basically the same, I would have then forgot about the edit and continued learning in the thread.

But Stef you made this about YOU and YOUR FREEDOM and YOUR RIGHTs. So now the thread is gone (it had a bunch of good advice from experienced climbers), and you have to find a new website to post it on just so you can have your exact title line.

Ever heard the expression a "mountain out of a molehill?" Sometimes we create our own problems! Anyway, good luck with the big walls man!
--Michael

sjarelkwint wrote:

Bob Sihler wrote: Fuckin' fuckety fuck.

But using this in a post is allowed? Posted by yourself!

Was he referring to you?

mvs wrote:See, I would have seen the change and thought, "huh, I guess I was too offensive, oh well." As long as the content of my message was basically the same, I would have then forgot about the edit and continued learning in the thread.

But Stef you made this about YOU and YOUR FREEDOM and YOUR RIGHTs. So now the thread is gone (it had a bunch of good advice from experienced climbers), and you have to find a new website to post it on just so you can have your exact title line.

Ever heard the expression a "mountain out of a molehill?" Sometimes we create our own problems! Anyway, good luck with the big walls man!
--Michael

I sent an email a few weeks ago to an elve about a change in one of my posts and that i wasn't happy with the edit and that i didn't see the point of editing. Though it was in a serious thread.

I'm not arsed with the edit, the thing i consider as uncool is editing without any explaination which i will never be cool with. In the end it is changing your words into something you like more as an editor. The elve I contacted about the matter understood my point and i'm affraid it is the same elve who edited my post without any explaination again.

I think the least you can do when editing a post is making a note in the post you edited or send a PM about the reasons why you edited the post. Not just edit without leaving any trail towards your person behind.

I can't be arsed and my thread was going in the wrong direction as well. The only thing i wanted was to borrow or rent gear. I wasn't looking into advice of how to climb it or where to find a partner ... But hey, i might find my gear elsewhere ... Though it would have been nice to meet with some people of summitpost unfortunally some elve blew my thread after i edited it back and left a note in the post that i wasn't ok with an edit without leaving any trace of edit behind ...

No, actually you are 'arsed' with the edit from Bob. And like MVS already stated, you ARE making this about yourself since no one else seems to have a problem with your title being edited.
Calling attention to yourself because you're not getting your way and validating it by indirectly saying that your 'rights' are being impinged upon in the name of censorship is pretty weak, dude.
The ONLY REASON to use offensive languare, language that I'd say most people would find crude, low-brow, elementary and in my opinion, a sign of weak intelligence when used in this context, is to draw attention to yourself because it's still viewed as "attention-getting" and vulgar no matter how often one chooses to use it.
Obscenities can be useful in certain contexts and do provide a purpose but not how you did. Your intentions were to merely 'stir up the pot'...nothing more...nothing less.
IMO, the Elves should have deleted your thread sooner.

You know, sjarelkwint, I've paid attention to the stuff you've posted here on SP for some time and the overriding majority of the drool you do post is useless and stupid.
I personally think you're useless in as far as helping to build SP into a site that people can go to for viable beta without the political BS that riddles other sites.
Why don't you, for once, try posting either CONSTRUCTIVE information to the boards or God forbid, try putting up a mountain/range/list et al. page for your geographic area.
YOU are a perfect example of someone touting their personal freedoms at the expense of the quality of the medium you're using to do your crying. Kleenex must be cheap in Bulgaria.
And yes...you CAN quote me on all that.

Trust me pal, you say a lot more by the things you're not saying. Go play Farmville for a while and chill out!

Stef,

Here is the bottom line, one that I think will answer your questions:

http://www.summitpost.org/faq Specifically: Sections 2.22 and 4.1.1

Of particular note:
"We reserve the right to remove offensive posts anywhere without notice."


Also, as you may recall, I'm the one who removed your Animated GIF from Aaron's thread to which you went right on back and re-posted it. I felt it had no place within that thread, removed it again and locked it up after Aaron's final post as you well know.

Summitpost is not your personal playground to post what you wish, when you wish and however you wish. Try as we might to strike a delicate balance between moderation and free speech, that balance is difficult to achieve and at times renders folks, such as yourself, displeased. Unfortunately, we simply cannot make everyone happy all the time when exercised. "Dems duh breaks."

Perhaps you'd consider playing along rather than reposting upon edit or removal ? If not, feel free to start your own website where you can be King, court and loyal subject.

Because I have a Fuck this all feeling i can't use the f word because of what reason?

People like you are the reason that the rest of us can't access the forums from public places (such as from libraries when we're out travelling). It filters everyone else out from accessing SP. That should be reason enough (at least if you actually cared about anyone else). I have already told you about this before, but you contine to do it just for the sake of being an ______ (fill in the blank with what ever word you want).

What is it going to take to get you to leave SP for good? Maybe we can all pitch in and get donations to make it happen.

Kiefer Thomas wrote:No, actually you are 'arsed' with the edit from Bob. And like MVS already stated, you ARE making this about yourself since no one else seems to have a problem with your title being edited.

I expected an explanation before editing. That's all. As stated above

Kiefer Thomas wrote:Calling attention to yourself because you're not getting your way and validating it by indirectly saying that your 'rights' are being impinged upon in the name of censorship is pretty weak, dude.

It isn't about censorship, it is about editing without leaving a mark of editing behind. Was more pissed of because of the last post where I send a message to the elve in question to get an explanation and got a reply that the least he could do was to send a message indeed. It probably is the same elve who edited my post this time

Kiefer Thomas wrote:The ONLY REASON to use offensive languare, language that I'd say most people would find crude, low-brow, elementary and in my opinion, a sign of weak intelligence when used in this context, is to draw attention to yourself because it's still viewed as "attention-getting" and vulgar no matter how often one chooses to use it.

What might seem vulgar for some, might seem normal to others. And probably most americans would use the same language in a speaking form as the language I used. If you read the post give me an alternative which expresses the same feeling but doesn't involve any vulgar language ...

Kiefer Thomas wrote:Obscenities can be useful in certain contexts and do provide a purpose but not how you did. Your intentions were to merely 'stir up the pot'...nothing more...nothing less.
IMO, the Elves should have deleted your thread sooner.
You know, sjarelkwint, I've paid attention to the stuff you've posted here on SP for some time and the overriding majority of the drool you do post is useless and stupid.

Name me one post in the last half year and I'm not talking about the stuff of the last week!

Kiefer Thomas wrote:I personally think you're useless in as far as helping to build SP into a site that people can go to for viable beta without the political BS that riddles other sites.

What political BS? Barely notice any ...

Kiefer Thomas wrote:Why don't you, for once, try posting either CONSTRUCTIVE information to the boards or God forbid, try putting up a mountain/range/list et al. page for your geographic area.

Which was Belgium when i started where there is absolutely no need for it. Than I lived in Wales for 6 months where Nanuls almost covered every bump in the road and where I added one of the missing pages and where I am writing one of the longest tripreports in summitpost history about. Now I moved to Bulgaria where there is a lot to mountainwise the only problem is that I am rockclimbing (sport and trad) and I don't have enough knowledge yet about the area though i am helping out some bulgarians on a guidebook about the area which hasn't been made yet and opening some extra routes for the guidebook because one area which could be a main climbing spot in the future for local climbing is still unclimbed ...

But hey, I'm trying to get out, meet new people and climb climb climb and not spend my time behind a laptop writing tripreports and such ... Which I am also doing but it is taking way more time than most people because I am out more since last year ...

Kiefer Thomas wrote:YOU are a perfect example of someone touting their personal freedoms at the expense of the quality of the medium you're using to do your crying. Kleenex must be cheap in Bulgaria.

It isnt about personal freedom it is about giving a reason why something is not allowed ...

Kiefer Thomas wrote:And yes...you CAN quote me on all that.

Working on that one...

Kiefer Thomas wrote:Trust me pal, you say a lot more by the things you're not saying. Go play Farmville for a while and chill out!

I've been pretty quiet all over the whole of Summitpost due to climbing more, barely came to SP untill Aaron.

Farmville? Is that the game you can play on summitpost?

Scott wrote:

Because I have a Fuck this all feeling i can't use the f word because of what reason?

People like you are the reason that the rest of us can't access the forums from public places (such as from libraries when we're out travelling). It filters everyone else out from accessing SP. That should be reason enough (at least if you actually cared about anyone else). I have already told you about this before, but you contine to do it just for the sake of being an ______ (fill in the blank with what ever word you want).

What is it going to take to get you to leave SP for good? Maybe we can all pitch in and get donations to make it happen.

Don't know what kind of filters your libraries use but i never had a problem with accessing SP for any reason ...

You were also the guy that complained about my pages but didn't want to give any proper info on how to make them better no?

EDIT: By quoting me you only placed one more F word in to your library filter, congrats!

You have never told me anything about it Scott so please clarify yourself!

NONE of this would have happened if we had php 17.43a, with its intelligent offense-sensing filters.

Let's get back to the important stuff. Is it possible to climb a big wall with those suction-cup things that I see in action movies? Can I rappel on 3mm cord? Why not? It's my right. OK then, where can I rent 4mm cord?