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Postby Bubba Suess » Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:05 pm

DMT you can host your pics on another site but still place them in your trip report. It is pretty easy to do. I host all my maps on a different site so I can make them appear larger in my pages. Case in point is my Trinity Alps page. Head down to the maps section to see what I mean.

http://www.summitpost.org/area/range/307625/Trinity-Alps.html#chapter_28
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Postby Arthur Digbee » Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:19 pm

I agree that the SP interface is not up to current standards.

But Dingus, why are you putting TRs in a forum posting instead of, I dunno, creating a TR?
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Postby The Chief » Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:21 pm

Typical city folk... need to hurry up & get it done NOW.

Patience is a virtue and many flatlander's seem to have completely lost that ability.

This OP is prime example of that....

Make it a standard TR.

Arthur Digbee wrote:But Dingus, why are you putting TRs in a forum posting instead of, I dunno, creating a TR?


Interesting point.
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Postby Bob Burd » Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:44 pm

Arthur Digbee wrote:I agree that the SP interface is not up to current standards.

But Dingus, why are you putting TRs in a forum posting instead of, I dunno, creating a TR?


He pointed that out already - he can do a forum TR much faster than he can use the editor in creating a TR.
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Postby Arthur Digbee » Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:22 pm

Bob Burd wrote:
Arthur Digbee wrote:I agree that the SP interface is not up to current standards.

But Dingus, why are you putting TRs in a forum posting instead of, I dunno, creating a TR?


He pointed that out already - he can do a forum TR much faster than he can use the editor in creating a TR.


Ur doin it rong . . .
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Postby mvs » Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:24 pm

A forum TR definitely is quicker to make. But your work doesn't become part of the SP database in that case, nicely embedded into a range/area/etc.

Nattford and yall other folks who want to help with the code/programming, understand that the bulk uploader was a stay-up-all-night feverishly-excited-because-I'm-going-to-help-the-SP-community deal, and boy did I get a splash of cold water. I was even told that Josh would under no circumstances want such a tool to exist. (Not that anyone asked him.) So if you make tools don't expect to work "hand in hand" with the elf community. That's just the truth.

People have been asking for modern features like RSS feeds and getting nowhere for years. Finally a member cobbled together the RSS thing on his own.

I love the site, I love making TRs and pages. But I wouldn't do it if I couldn't build tools to automate drudgework. So Chief, I'm just sayin that there are a lot of people who want to or wanted to help make creating content easier and they are consistently rebuffed. Dingus' rant has some justification.

Anyway, happy Saturday. I just got back from an awesome ski tour in the Stubai. If I can stay awake I'll make a page for it. :lol:
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Postby WouterB » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:38 am

The Chief wrote:Instead of whining about it, why don't you volunteer to help out the site and upgrade the programs.

Now that would indeed be helpful and most certainly a major contribution to SP.

A solution to the problem.... what concept.

Far too eassier to whine and complain yet do nothing to be part of the solution.


Technical help on this site has been offered multiple times. Never has it been accepted. I've been saying for a while that we need a summitpost v3.0. As far as I'm concerned, the two owners DO sell the site (and make some money). I love this place for all the info and I'd like to see it grow.
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Postby The Chief » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:28 pm

WouterB wrote:
The Chief wrote:Instead of whining about it, why don't you volunteer to help out the site and upgrade the programs.

Now that would indeed be helpful and most certainly a major contribution to SP.

A solution to the problem.... what concept.

Far too eassier to whine and complain yet do nothing to be part of the solution.


Technical help on this site has been offered multiple times. Never has it been accepted. I've been saying for a while that we need a summitpost v3.0. As far as I'm concerned, the two owners DO sell the site (and make some money). I love this place for all the info and I'd like to see it grow.


BOB BURD... GANGOLF... DAVE K... the rest of the ELVES?????


Is this true????

I do not mind getting shit on if my outlandishness and obnoxiousness can and will help the system better itself.

C'mon Elf dudes, if there are in fact folks that have been offering to make this site better and ya'll have been tell'n em to bag off, that aint at tall cool.

I say let em give ya hand to do it better.




Me personally, don't know much about this programing shet and when I do write a Page, take my time and am not in any rush to finish it.

I'll be writing some very soon and have already figured out the current system. So, no real big deal for me.....
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Postby butitsadryheat » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:18 pm

Bob has pointed out that the owners are the ones who have to grant permission (and $) to change the code. Montana Matt can do it, when he needs to fix something, but it is not the elves' fault. I think they would want more features as well, but they are limited by the owners.
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Postby Bob Burd » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:46 pm

butitsadryheat wrote:Bob has pointed out that the owners are the ones who have to grant permission (and $) to change the code. Montana Matt can do it, when he needs to fix something, but it is not the elves' fault. I think they would want more features as well, but they are limited by the owners.


Thank you. One gets tired of repeating oneself. :(

While I'm here, let me add a few lines about the "elves against progress" or whatever that was. I believe when the bulk photo loader was first brought to the attention of the elves and before general intro to SP, one of us, Aaron I believe, thought it would not be a good idea as he was concerned it might lead to a flood of photos dumped on SP. This was a number of years ago when there were (and probably still are) instances of folks using SP as their flickr site. Afterwards we were told by the owners that disk space was not a problem to worry about and the objection was dropped. Sometime last year disk space became a minor issue when Matt suggested we needed to clean up some space and old threads were removed from the forums. I don't really know the extend of it being a problem or not (seems to me a few photos take up as much space as a thousand posts), and I won't worry about it until something more definitive comes back.

For those that would like to offer programming help/assistance, I thank you. Sincerely. But I cannot do anything about it, nor can the other elves. If the owners come and offer to either accept help or do some updates, we'll let you know asap in this forum. For those unfamiliar with what is involved in programming updates, please understand that it is not a simple matter of giving someone access to the source code. Untested changes to code have a nasty habit of bringing sites to their knees and a new programmer has first to familiarize themselves with the existing code, often difficult to understand unless you were involved in the creation.

For what it's worth, before SPv2 came into existence, Josh *did* ask for community help in organizing a revamp of the code. There were offers of assistance given, but no one wanted to actually manage the task, which in the case of code-writing is probably the hardest part. So eventually he and Ryle banged it out in a flurry of a few weeks huddled together, tested it with a small group of users for another month, unleashed it in the community, spent another month addressing changes, then disappeared. Who knows, perhaps that is how most code is conceived and written?
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Postby mvs » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:49 pm

butitsadryheat wrote:Bob has pointed out that the owners are the ones who have to grant permission (and $) to change the code. Montana Matt can do it, when he needs to fix something, but it is not the elves' fault. I think they would want more features as well, but they are limited by the owners.


I agree with that too. The elves take their job very seriously and act as "stewards" of the site, often (or mostly) divining the wishes of the true owners based on the works those owners left behind. It's probably the correct strategy, to be essentially conservative. It just doesn't "play well" with innovation.

My complaint is that a year ago I made the bulk uploader along with a detailed article on it's use, a bug/feature database, special elf-only features, etc., but the elves used their power to deny letting this article ever get on the front page. That pretty much doomed the bulk uploader to obscurity. This is discouraging for a software developer.

Now there are a host of rationales for that (I call punitive) action, but I don't think they hold up well. Our stewards really believe that Josh would never sanction a tool like that, and therefore hold firm in suppressing information about it. I think otherwise, I think Josh would think it's okay. Such are the problems when an iconic leader disappears leaving others to "interpret" His designs... :lol:

Again, I know there are a lot of people perfectly happy with the current process who don't see what all the fuss is about. But I say, look around...how many new faces do you see putting up TRs and mountains? Not many. And I think this is part of the reason...we aren't keeping up with the standards that other "web 2.0" apps have moved on to.

(EDIT: to incorporate Bob's reply)

Bob wrote:Thank you. One gets tired of repeating oneself.


I think you'll have to do it a lot. Again and again idealistic newcomers with programming skills will come to this site and start asking why. :lol:

Bob wrote:While I'm here, let me add a few lines about the "elves against progress" or whatever that was. I believe when the bulk photo loader was first brought to the attention of the elves and before general intro to SP, one of us, Aaron I believe, thought it would not be a good idea as he was concerned it might lead to a flood of photos dumped on SP. This was a number of years ago when there were (and probably still are) instances of folks using SP as their flickr site. Afterwards we were told by the owners that disk space was not a problem to worry about and the objection was dropped. Sometime last year disk space became a minor issue when Matt suggested we needed to clean up some space and old threads were removed from the forums. I don't really know the extend of it being a problem or not (seems to me a few photos take up as much space as a thousand posts), and I won't worry about it until something more definitive comes back.


So Bob is there still a problem? Can we, a year later, publish the article for the bulk uploader for wider circulation? My recollection was that the reasons cited for supression were more numerous, and yet less concrete, than what you describe above. That may be how the charge of "elves against progress" could gain traction in my own mind, anyway. :lol:
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Postby Bob Burd » Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:19 pm

mvs wrote:So Bob is there still a problem? Can we, a year later, publish the article for the bulk uploader for wider circulation? My recollection was that the reasons cited for supression were more numerous, and yet less concrete, than what you describe above. That may be how the charge of "elves against progress" could gain traction in my own mind, anyway. :lol:


I don't have the best of memories, so I can't say if there were more objections or not. I don't remember any. I certainly had/have none myself. And I can't speak for the other elves about front page objections/choices. I have never actually put *anything* on the front page and have left that activity to the others. But I tell you what - give me a minute and I'll see if can figure out how to put you on the front page. If you don't see anything soon, it means my attempt was (yet again) a miserable failure.
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Postby Gangolf Haub » Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:47 pm

...but the elves used their power to deny letting this article ever get on the front page...


That was me and not "the elves". There were reasons and I'm pretty sure I used pretty similar words as Bob wrote previously on this thread. And I don't believe that I ever said "Josh wouldn't want it". As far as I remember we had a polite email discussion about it and now I see you filing complaints because you're frustrated.

Well, welcome to the club!

Do you think it is fun to have you guys accusing us of being against progress. Bob pointed it out and you all know it as well: Josh and Ryle don't bother with the site and have been absent for years now. They are the only ones to grant any such requests but every try to reach them via the usual communication channels were fruitless. Matt is doing the best he can but he, too has other things to worry about. We all make our money elsewhere.

Now talk about frustration!

But nobody ever listens anyway. And the little they listen to they soon forget.
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Postby Bob Burd » Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:51 pm

Gangolf Haub wrote:blah, blah, blah, blah

But nobody ever listens anyway. And the little they listen to they soon forget.


What? :D
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