Um, have you ever looked at a map of that area? definitely scary if you are speaking authoritatively and haven't. It's about 4k just back to the head of the canyon where Tuttle Creek begins...and much of the terrain back to the car (7k feet total from summit) is low angle shredtastic (if on snowboard) and nice corn cruisin' on skis. RE: the angle, take a look at the couloir on a map, then take a look at something that is legitimately that steep. There are a few couloirs of this variety in the Eastern Sierra you can choose from, be creative. As granjero states from experience from descending that couloir, the angle only slightly at the top depending on snow. 35-40 degrees.

If doing a Shasta descent, opt for the classic, Hotlum-Wintun ridge for 7k of glorious corn riding back to the car, thus allowing you to go light.

A-lex:

I remember when I was young (like you and VM and many others) and all that shit, I thought all the "Old Dudes" were arrogant and pompous and.....

Three of my closest heroes were considered the most arrogant dudes out there... Clyde, Batso and Whillans.

Some Old Climbers have always been perceived as arrogant (in their way) and pompous by the younger generation.

BTW: you didn't finger any change or bills from my Eastside Re-Bolting Can did ya??

VM: Don't do Social Hikes/Scrambles

Chief: I might be a younger climber who thinks you're arrogant (not that I hold it against you - everyone has their roles in society) but I didn't steal donated money for re-bolting projects. I hope you're joking and just recognizing how we met.

As to the old climbers being arrogant - they're not all like that. And just because I appreciate their accomplishments - it doesn't mean I would have liked them as people.

Vitaliy M wrote:

WML wrote:Um, have you ever looked at a map of that area? definitely scary if you are speaking authoritatively and haven't. It's about 4k just back to the head of the canyon where Tuttle Creek begins...and much of the terrain back to the car (7k feet total from summit) is low angle shredtastic (if on snowboard) and nice corn cruisin' on skis. RE: the angle, take a look at the couloir on a map, then take a look at something that is legitimately that steep. There are a few couloirs of this variety in the Eastern Sierra you can choose from, be creative. As granjero states from experience from descending that couloir, the angle only slightly at the top depending on snow. 35-40 degrees.

If doing a Shasta descent, opt for the classic, Hotlum-Wintun ridge for 7k of glorious corn riding back to the car, thus allowing you to go light.

Not only I seen the map, I been there during spring (this year). Even with it being an above the average year there was only snow to ride on to 10K..than boulder fields and crap.

Have you tried a north side approach for Shasta during winter?

Nope, why bother with that one in the winter though? Spring corn skiing on that is where it's at from my understanding.

RE: Langley, granjero and some other folks were able to ski back to Stone House from the top last April...

Here is a great TR of (part of) George Creek!!!
http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30000&highlight=williamson

A-Lex wrote:Chief: I might be a younger climber who thinks you're arrogant (not that I hold it against you - everyone has their roles in society) but I didn't steal donated money for re-bolting projects. I hope you're joking and just recognizing how we met.

As to the old climbers being arrogant - they're not all like that. And just because I appreciate their accomplishments - it doesn't mean I would have liked them as people.

See what I mean??? Taking this shit far to serious..... My arrogance shines.

Bruce Lella and I had a three hour chat about just this arrogance subject last week over a pot of coffee. More coffee was spewed and went airborne than was actually ingested. Hint....


Now, how many folks want to join this arrogant bastard next late spring to cut a trail up GC!

Chief: I can't state the truth on this thread without you thinking I take it too seriously?

A-Lex wrote:Chief: I can't state the truth on this thread without you thinking I take it too seriously?

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Good movie that there is...

But honestly....yer still arrogant.

A-Lex wrote:But honestly....yer still arrogant.

As you will most likely be when you are my age! And please don't even try and say that you won't be.

Don't forget cocky & persnickety well. Pride myself on them two I do.

I certainly might. But I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

Anyways. I gotta question maybe you can answer. You been on either Blue Diamond Ridge or Sentimental Journey on Wilson in RR?

I assume you won't answer and will gimme some crap about being adventurous, but I might as well try. I choose to be as informed as possible. I suppose it's because I'm a young p%ssy!

A-Lex wrote:- I certainly might. But I'll cross that bridge when I get there.


- You been on either Blue Diamond Ridge or Sentimental Journey on Wilson in RR?

- Then don't slamming anyone for something that you may just one day become as well.

- Be more specific and don't assume shit with me.

The best dude for info here on SP for any of that RR non-tech stuff is this dude.... cp0915. He has written a couple of GB's for just that kind of adventurous stuff in the RR's. PM him as he would love to share his knowledge and experience. Unlike me, he is a consistent NICE GUY and not an ARROGANT PERSNICKETY BASTARD!

I'll slam you as I see fit. And assume as I see fit. Don't take it so seriously buddy!!

That was pretty specific. Those are the routes names on Mount Wilson in Red Rock Canyon in Nevada. I would like to climb them, and with your arrogant old man experience I thought maybe you would have climbed them. If so, any information is appreciated. If not, it's all good dude.

Thanks for link to other dude. I'll ask him as well.