truchas wrote:The only explanation I can think of for someone wanting more than 2 days to create a page would be a very nice page that may take a few days to create. Say someone spent 50 hours creating a page and it took him a week to make it. Just before he creates the page someone else grabs it and all his work is for nothing. By grabbing the page, he knows for sure he won't be wasting his time. This is less likely of an scenario now since most of the "good" mountains have already been submitted.

I still say you do it all in advance, but it's a fair point. Usually, it's easy to tell if such a page is going somewhere. I certainly would leave room for leeway when a member with an established record of quality pages is concerned.

mrchad9 wrote:I'm seeing more support for 24 hrs as opposed to 2 days.

Looking at some submissions from yesterday and today, I'm starting to lean that way, too. SP may have some new custom objects come tomorrow...

Gary Schenk wrote:It is too bad that there is not a forum where people can do all of the sniping and character assassination that they want, instead of having to vent their rage in forums that are inappropriate to such behavior.

A forum that could be used to isolate these posts from the rest of the site. Wouldn't it behoove the owners and participants to create such a forum? It could be called Prate and Prattle, for instance.

There's always the possibility of leaving such childish behaviour be, too.

Gary Schenk wrote:It is too bad that there is not a forum where people can do all of the sniping and character assassination that they want, instead of having to vent their rage in forums that are inappropriate to such behavior.

A forum that could be used to isolate these posts from the rest of the site. Wouldn't it behoove the owners and participants to create such a forum? It could be called Prate and Prattle, for instance.

Aw come on man! No one wants to do their sniping and character assassination in a forum that allows that crap! I mean, the whole idea is to raise hell and draw attention - you can't do that successfully if everyone else is doing the same thing.

In an ideal world, the FAQ link would be very obvious, at the top of the page, and the FAQ would contain a discussion about the use of custom objects, page posting etiquette, etc. (it already contains some of this stuff). A person who clicked on the "create mountain page" link would be greeted with a "Stop! Have you read the FAQ and do you understand the time limits for page completion?"

In the real world, I doubt the site owners will make that change... and never underestimate the ability of people to ignore instructions, anyway.

I tried to create a page on 5.14 climb I did in Nebraska

I put it up fully intending to finish it the next day and that lowlife MrH stole it, copied it word for word, finished it with some inferior verbage and claimed it was his.

It happened again when I tried to write a page on this:

I won't tell you who was guilty that time leafboy!

Husker wrote:I tried to create a page on 5.14 climb I did in Nebraska

I put it up fully intending to finish it the next day and that lowlife MrH stole it, copied it word for word, finished it with some inferior verbage and claimed it was his.

It happened again when I tried to write a page on this:

I won't tell you who was guilty that time leafboy!

Criminal!

Bob Sihler wrote:

truchas wrote:The only explanation I can think of for someone wanting more than 2 days to create a page would be a very nice page that may take a few days to create. Say someone spent 50 hours creating a page and it took him a week to make it. Just before he creates the page someone else grabs it and all his work is for nothing. By grabbing the page, he knows for sure he won't be wasting his time. This is less likely of an scenario now since most of the "good" mountains have already been submitted.

I still say you do it all in advance, but it's a fair point. Usually, it's easy to tell if such a page is going somewhere. I certainly would leave room for leeway when a member with an established record of quality pages is concerned.

Yes- I also think best to do it ALL in advance. But to truchas' point- if loosing the page is really a concern, and you are planning to spend 50 hours and want to grab the page (say if it is a National Park or something), the poster could put in 10 hours to hold the page with something that looks reasonable, then finish later. In 10 hours they could post something much better than many of the incomplete pages out there. But putting in 15 minutes work and posting should not be permitted, regardless of what you plan on for later.

Well, tomorrow begins this experiment; the first page I'm watching becomes "eligible" for change to a custom object.

Even then, I think there needs to be a time limit so that the page doesn't languish forever as clutter. A week? Two weeks?

I hope this works; it's at least worth a try. If it doesn't, I will probably just start going the delete route after a day or two unless it is obvious that substantial work is being done.

sjarelkwint wrote:Was just wondering "when" is a page finished? Yours wasn't, was it within the 24 hours rule? No! 2 days rule? No!

I think some people have more things to do than creating a page within 2 days. Most people don't have an html-editor at home ...

Well, you seem to have completely missed the points that Bob, Chief, Bill, Mark, Sarah, V Islander, rebelgrizz, and I have made. Though I suppose all those posts were easy to overlook.

Bob Sihler wrote:Well, tomorrow begins this experiment; the first page I'm watching becomes "eligible" for change to a custom object.

Even then, I think there needs to be a time limit so that the page doesn't languish forever as clutter. A week? Two weeks?

I hope this works; it's at least worth a try. If it doesn't, I will probably just start going the delete route after a day or two unless it is obvious that substantial work is being done.

Hmm, I reckon anyone can call his custom object "my roadworks" or so and keep it forever.

sjarelkwint wrote:

mrchad9 wrote:

sjarelkwint wrote:Was just wondering "when" is a page finished? Yours wasn't, was it within the 24 hours rule? No! 2 days rule? No!

I think some people have more things to do than creating a page within 2 days. Most people don't have an html-editor at home ...

Well, you seem to have completely missed the points that Bob, Chief, Bill, Mark, Sarah, V Islander, rebelgrizz, and I have made. Though I suppose all those posts were easy to overlook.

Yes I did, wasn't clear

When is a page finished for you?
(First I have to say your pages look awesome!)

If someone would think a page is incomplete as long as the climbing history ain't on the page, yours would be incomplete ...

As long as ther's no concensus about what has to be on a pagen everything is complete ...

Thank you Sir!

True- I don't include climbing history. I don't care much for who does what first, second, etc... As far as when a page is finished- I see what you are saying- perhaps saying 'incomplete' pages are not technically the correct wording, we are really talking about items that are have obvious and significant omissions, not items that cannot be even further enhanced later.

No one has said a page has to have everything- but there is a minimum. Bob laid out some criteria even... a small overview, distance, elevation gain, driving directions, red tape... stuff like that. The page doesn't have to be wonderful, but a page with 3-4 sentences doesn't cut it. If it had everything but one or two items even, I doubt anyone would be asking that it be deleted. If it looks great, but is missing the red tape, no big deal. If it has everything but the elevation then no one is going to delete it, but rather ask them to add the missing information.

Thank you for the feedback, everyone; this thread served its purpose, and I've moved ahead with my plan. See this post: http://www.summitpost.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=55038.

Should I keep this thread open or lock it but save it for posterity?

Bob Sihler wrote:... Should I keep this thread open or lock it but save it for posterity?

Leave it open, Bob. And thanks so much to all of the elves, and especially to you, for contributing so much to make SP the great site that it is. --mark d.