by Tonka » Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:03 pm
by fedak » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:13 pm
Those cables have been there for decades, and every couple years someone slips off and dies
Yeah I don't know what they were doing up there in the storm.
by simonov » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:18 pm
mrchad9 wrote:Those cables have been there for decades, and every couple years someone slips off and dies whether there is a permit system or not. Just part of the risk really, nothing to be done about it.
by fedak » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:32 pm
Anyone know what happened wrt to the other 10 deaths in Yosemite? Fourteen in a year is a lot.
by mrchad9 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:41 pm
fedak wrote:Anyone know what happened wrt to the other 10 deaths in Yosemite? Fourteen in a year is a lot.
There were the 2 that got swept off of the Wapama Falls Bridge and one person managed to fall into the Merced from the Mist trail.
Not sure about the rest. Were those all backcountry or did that total include car accidents and accidents in the developed areas?
by fedak » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:00 pm
would think it includes all types of accidents. Similar to how they assume every bear that is run over is do to speeding (I nearly ran over one because I was obsessively staring at my speedometer trying to be sure I didn't get a ticket
by fedak » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:25 am
by colinr » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:14 am
by mrchad9 » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:46 am
bears/animals...contribute to YNP deaths too.
by Marmaduke » Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:30 am
simonov wrote:mrchad9 wrote:Those cables have been there for decades, and every couple years someone slips off and dies whether there is a permit system or not. Just part of the risk really, nothing to be done about it.
Yeah. In the last 24 hours, about 80 Americans died in automobile crashes. In the next day another 80 will buy the farm. And so it goes.
But one person slips off the side of Half Dome every year or two and the wailing and gnashing of teeth reaches epic proportions.
by colinr » Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:58 pm
mrchad9 wrote:When was the last time a bear or any other animal lead to the death of anyone in Yosemite?
By car accident perhaps, but I doubt by any other way in recent history.
by simonov » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:39 pm
Marmaduke wrote:I haven't been up Half Dome so I really can't comment on the safety cables but the real question if you want to compare auto deaths to those in Yosemite is the ratio to daily drivers and deaths and daily hikers/climbers and deaths. I would still bet the auto deaths are significantly higher.
by dskoon » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:53 pm
simonov wrote:Marmaduke wrote:I haven't been up Half Dome so I really can't comment on the safety cables but the real question if you want to compare auto deaths to those in Yosemite is the ratio to daily drivers and deaths and daily hikers/climbers and deaths. I would still bet the auto deaths are significantly higher.
I knew someone was going to say that.
I am not making a statement about relative safety, I am talking about our reactions to death. We as a society have agreed that 30,000 premature deaths per year is a reasonable price to pay for the privilege of driving a car, and when 80 people a day die i\on the nation's highways it is literally no big deal and of interest to no one outside the immediate families of the victims.
But when someone falls off a rock at Yosemite, it's big news, accompanied by massive hand-waving.
by mrchad9 » Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:59 pm
simonov wrote:Marmaduke wrote:I haven't been up Half Dome so I really can't comment on the safety cables but the real question if you want to compare auto deaths to those in Yosemite is the ratio to daily drivers and deaths and daily hikers/climbers and deaths. I would still bet the auto deaths are significantly higher.
I knew someone was going to say that.
I am not making a statement about relative safety, I am talking about our reactions to death. We as a society have agreed that 30,000 premature deaths per year is a reasonable price to pay for the privilege of driving a car, and when 80 people a day die i\on the nation's highways it is literally no big deal and of interest to no one outside the immediate families of the victims.
But when someone falls off a rock at Yosemite, it's big news, accompanied by massive hand-waving.
by ROL » Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:23 pm
Palisades79 wrote:I think that the National Park has to re-engineer the cables because the present setup is clearly is inadequate and dangerous. The path should be widen,every person should wear a harness ,and should be clipped into an ascent cable on one side while going up and a descent cable on the other side while going down . No one should be allowed to ascend in bad weather and the costs of the system should be included in their permit.
The present situation is going to result in new rules and regulations that will have unintended impacts on peak baggers and technical climbers .
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