CA DFG President Kills Mountain Lion

by **colinr** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:29 am

lcarreau wrote:
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by **colinr** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:32 am

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by **colinr** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:08 am

twoshuzz, sounds good. Living in and having family/close friends in several different parts of CA with vast cultural differences, I know folks with all sorts of different perpectives on hunting and weapons. What you are describing seems very reasonable to me.

The picture/case in the OP leaves many people with a bad taste though...polarizes instead of putting people in a mood to be reasonable and educated on facts surrounding game managment and hunting.

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by **colinr** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:28 am

I agree. That's where my post was heading. I know people who fall on both ends of those spectrums. I suspect the "shoot em all" crowd is outnumbered by those who think redneck at any mention of guns or hunting, especially the closer one gets to the coast...and I think that has been a growing trend. The funny thing is that many (but not all) who immediately cry redneck haven't put a lot of thought into where their food comes from. Thoughts of weapons and killing often bring a lot of this:

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by **Tanngrisnir3** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:00 pm

mrchad9 wrote:As per the typical the anti-hunting advocates are diverging from the actual issue at hand... what is the basis or foundation for asking for this guy to resign?

He shot an animal that was perfectly legal to do so where he was. Sure it would have been illegal IF he was in California, but he wasn't. Should he resign if he shoots a deer in deer season? Well, it would have been illegal IF he had done it out of season. Same logic.

What he did was perfectly legal, and he shouldn't resign based on it.

However, as a hunter myself, I find there is a commonality amongst trophy hunters and those who participate in 'canned hunts' that doesn't exactly square with what most people consider to be conservationist. That, and I've never met one who wasn't a first class asshole.

I find hunting for any other reason than getting food or lessening overpopulation (like deer in some places on the east coast) to be utterly unethical and, ultimately, a 'sportsman's' version of a cock-out.

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by **mrchad9** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:10 pm

Dow Williams wrote:
mrchad9 wrote:Kill and mountain lion, a bear, a deer, wild hogs, cattle at the slaughterhouse or chickens in a coup... it's all really the same thing.

As long as you include the neighbors dog and humans in that mix, very true....

Where's your logic in that? If you think what this guy did is remotely equivalent to killing a human then I think you are largely alone in that position.

by **mrh** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:10 pm

No issue here at all. And hunting cats without dogs? Virtually impossible.

by **norco17** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:47 pm

mrh wrote:No issue here at all. And hunting cats without dogs? Virtually impossible.

Not impossible. They use bate piles in Africa, but I don't think dogs would work well against an african lion.

twoshuzz wrote:Post rant:

For the record, I've never hunted for horns nor hide, but for food. I put down the rifle nearly 25 years ago in favor of the bow for a more "intimate" experience, one I feel helps close the gap. I even hunt grouse with the bow. I've never let a sliver fly beyond 30 yards at any animal even though I can "pop can" 3 arrows at 50 yards with little effort. Also, I'm a finger shooter, not a trigger shooter. I don't use range finders and all the little gadgetry that some favor nowadays. KISS.

I've never been one for the taxidermist, my walls hold no trophies. I simply was not raised that way. And though I've never been one for the use of dogs for big game, I've certainly seen what the sudden outlawing of said use can bring, especially after certain species become conditioned to that use.

I enjoy the hunt, but not the kill. What's on the table is both taken by me, cared for and processed by me and so on. No growth hormones, anti biotics or any of that BS. And I do know that what is in my freezer is indeed "free range" and completely "organic." My choice, my right, both of which I will fight to my dying breath.

Very good post. I agree almost entirely. I think you represent what most anti hunters will accept, bow hunting for food that has not been injected with any "BS."
I do however disagree about what you said on trophies. I personaly think that hides and antlers are beautiful. If I am going to take an animal then I will keep these. I have never hunted big game, but I do have an elk rack on my wall that a friend took. I have deer hooves that my grandpa was going to make into a gun rack before he passed, but he never got to, I use them as book ends. I hunt for food, but I am not going to let a beautiful part of the animal go to waste that will remind me of the outdoors when I am stuck inside.

by **dadndave** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:45 pm

Yer right about the legal technicalities and all. He's apparently done nothing illegal.

But really, using dogs to drive a critter up a tree and then shooting it. That is totally effing lame. It certainly isn't sporting.

The unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible as Oscar Wilde would say.

BTW, snake doesn't taste like chicken. It's much oilier and slightly unpleasant for that reason. Edible but not particularly desirable. A bit like eating sea mullet.

by **mrchad9** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:50 pm

Anyone here ever hunt mountain lions without using dogs?

I didn't think so.

by **norco17** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:04 am

dadndave wrote:BTW, snake doesn't taste like chicken. It's much oilier and slightly unpleasant for that reason. Edible but not particularly desirable. A bit like eating sea mullet.

I like the taste of snake. Chicken however is not my favorite.

by **dadndave** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:19 am

Maybe it depends on how it's cooked. I dunno. I tried it in Hong Kong years ago. Didn't think much of it.

It's actually something I regretted later, as I discovered that some chinese methods of preparing snake are exceptionally cruel, but I don't know if that was the case with the dish I tried.

by **The Chief** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:20 am

mrchad9 wrote:Anyone here ever hunt mountain lions without using dogs?

I didn't think so.

Apparently these dudes have...all with NO dogs:

Oh, there are many more.

by **mrchad9** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:29 am

Rick have you ever shot a mountain lion without dogs or not?

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