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Postby Damien Gildea » Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:46 am

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Postby Outside » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:43 am

I had planned a brilliant response for this but The Chief and FortMental took the words right out of my mouth. Well said Gentlemen. I can only wonder how long the thread would have dangled if young Jordan Romero had met a sad fate on Everest. As always, you're only a hero if your successful. With different endings to each story, these parents would be the scourge of the planet. That said, I'm glad she's been found safe, rescued and I hope she's allowed to mature into a strong, adult woman before trying again.
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Postby outofstep80 » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:52 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100611/ap_ ... ilor_found

Sounds like a ship will hopefully reach her Saturday. Her mast broke which caused her to lose cell phone reception. Looks like she is doing well all considered.

Glad to hear it.

On a side not, I would be much more willing to let my kid do something with an experienced group then solo. Just saying there is a substantial difference between this woman and the kid that climb Everest, not the least of which is their ages. Not saying either is right or wrong, I'm just making the distinction.
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Postby outofstep80 » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:03 pm

MikeTX wrote:there are far worse records she could've attempt to break.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_yo ... th_mothers


:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

WTF Seriously :shock:
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Postby outofstep80 » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:18 pm

Dingus Milktoast wrote:
Outside wrote:you're only a hero if your successful.


That is a western notion, and mostly American and mostly in the last 50-years. It certainly bears no truth to the classical definition of hero.

DMT


Couldn't agree more. Ernest Shackleton hands down, in my opionion, was a hero. Did not even come close to success with regards to his expedition. But he brought back his entire crew alive. I highly recommend the book to anyone who has not read it. It's the "Endurance Expedition".
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Postby tonyo » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:38 pm

outofstep80 wrote:
Couldn't agree more. Ernest Shackleton hands down, in my opionion, was a hero. Did not even come close to success with regards to his expedition. But he brought back his entire crew alive. I highly recommend the book to anyone who has not read it. It's the "Endurance Expedition".


I have great respect for these kids and what they're doing, and in the let them go/don't let them go debate, I'm on the side of those who say let them.

But something that's bothered me for a while is the way we call anyone who has done something brave a "hero". In my mind, "hero" is reserved for someone who's done something brave for someone else. A person who follows their dream and does something great or brave for themselves is not a hero. Shackleton was a hero. Hillary was a hero, but not for climbing Everest; he was a hero for what he did humanitarian-wise in Nepal. Many people reading this have done a lot more that's heroic than sailing solo around the world (not to diminish what this young lady is doing, by any means) or climbing Everest. I think we need to start saving the title "hero" for those who really deserve it.
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Postby Alpinist » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:40 pm

Is there a double standard with respect to the search and rescue costs for people lost at sea as compared with climbers?

I don't hear anyone complaining about the cost to go and get her, as they always do when a climber "puts himself in danger" and requires SAR. Perhaps that's because she is in international waters and such things aren't even considered outside the US. Or perhaps she has insurance that covers SAR?

This is more of a rant about the people who complain about climbers than it is about her situation. Obviously her safety is the most important thing. I'm glad to hear she is alive and well.
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Postby The Chief » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:47 pm

Theses kids are only reflections of their parents desires. No more nor more less. Sorry, but these kids are far from heroes. Heroes do not accomplish self centered goals/accomplishments to better themselves.


Ya wanna see some kids that are heroes? Here...

Real Kid Heroes.
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Postby Damien Gildea » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:47 pm

And Mark Stratford made the 4th ascent of Mt Paget, highest on South Georgia, in 1994, then years later was killed serving in Iraq. More than a few good young British and European climbers never made it out of WW2.

More recently, Mark Evison never got the chance to go south: http://explorersweb.com/polar/news.php?id=18664
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