Scots Team

by **Boydie** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:35 pm

Spot on Dan.

by **visentin** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:34 am

I hope you will find this useful:
http://www.summitpost.org/area/range/46 ... tland.html
I'm open to all suggestions !
Eric

by **Nanuls** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:23 pm

visentin wrote:I hope you will find this useful:
http://www.summitpost.org/area/range/46 ... tland.html
I'm open to all suggestions !
Eric

Hey Eric, I have a few comments but will probably hold off posting until you've finished, don't want to be commenting on something you're already dealing with.

BTW way, I've drawn up a map of Scotland for the Grampian Mountains page, your welcome to use it in your page too. Also feel free to add bits to it if you want:
Link

by **Proterra** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:30 pm

Same here. I'm at uni now and have little time, I'll do a proper read of it when I get home tonight. One thing though that caught my eye; you mention that the higlands start north of the Great Glen Fault, which is not true. The Great Glen Fault is indeed the northern limit of the Grampians, and on the other side are the Northwestern Highlands. Both the Grampians and the Northwestern Highlands are considered "The Highlands". The southern limit of the Grampians is also called the Highland Boundary Fault, which runs rougly from Helensburgh to Aberdeen.

Getting a logoff warning now...
Talk to you later

Cheers,
Clint

by **visentin** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:06 pm

Nanuls wrote:Hey Eric, I have a few comments but will probably hold off posting until you've finished, don't want to be commenting on something you're already dealing with.

Don't hesitate to start firing

Thanks for the map. Is this map somewhere on SP ?
Proterra, thanks for the Highlands indications. I'll rename it Northwestern Highlands and add your informations about boundaries.
This page is not too "scientific"; I think it's better to leave it to each sub-range. The aim of the page I did was to introduce some main aspects of hiking in Scotland.
Any extra chapter is welcome (for example, where to stay, campsites, etc; which I didn't dare to start)

by **Nanuls** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:58 pm

visentin wrote:
Nanuls wrote:Hey Eric, I have a few comments but will probably hold off posting until you've finished, don't want to be commenting on something you're already dealing with.

Don't hesitate to start firing
Thanks for the map. Is this map somewhere on SP ?
Proterra, thanks for the Highlands indications. I'll rename it Northwestern Highlands and add your informations about boundaries.
This page is not too "scientific"; I think it's better to leave it to each sub-range. The aim of the page I did was to introduce some main aspects of hiking in Scotland.
Any extra chapter is welcome (for example, where to stay, campsites, etc; which I didn't dare to start)

Okay I'll read over it properly later and comment when I get some time.

The map isn't on SP yet, but if you copy and paste the code below it'll display it on the page the same way SP displays it automatically. Using this method, you can also resize the image as you wish.

Code: Select all: <div class='thumb tright'><div style='width:602px;'><a href='http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r1/dansmonkeytroubles/Grampian%20Mountains%20Map/Scotland.jpg'><img width='600' src='http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r1/dansmonkeytroubles/Grampian%20Mountains%20Map/Scotland.jpg'></img></a><div class='thumbcaption'> <div class='magnify' style='float: right;'><a href='http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r1/dansmonkeytroubles/Grampian%20Mountains%20Map/Scotland.jpg' title='Enlarge'> <img src='/images/layout/abby/magnify.gif' alt='Enlarge' ></img></a></div><b>Scotland</b><br/><font size='1.5'>&copy Dan Harris 2008</font></div></div></div>

by **Boydie** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:45 pm

visentin wrote:I hope you will find this useful:
http://www.summitpost.org/area/range/46 ... tland.html
I'm open to all suggestions !
Eric

Hi Eric,

Your page is pretty good but, you can't costitute Scotland as an Area and Range, in my opinion, as it is a country in it's own right. Most people will search up Scotland in the advanced search of the A&R's if they are interested in finding out information on the country. The same as I would do if I were doing the same for France or Germany for example. You cannot class a country as the same as the Alps, the Pyrenees (the link for this seems to go to someones album), or the Carpathians as you have mentioned, as it is never the same thing.

You mention the on going discussions on this subject. The reasoning behind this was to establish the best way between everyone interested, on how we felt we should divide the country A&R wise. You stated that the Grampians was to big and should be split into 3, which I partly agree with, but now we have the whole of Scotland within one A&R.

There is some really good stuff in here which would have greatly benefited the Grampians page or any other A&R page in Scotland for that matter. I understand that you are trying to give a brief overview of the great mountains that the country has to offer and I'm delighted that my country has touched you enough that you feel inspired enough to write about it and reccommend it to the rest of the users on SP.

As you said, it's good to get an outside opinion. I just don't think that the page is correctly listed. I don't know where it could be listed, but it's not an A&R.

At the end of the day Eric, it's up to you what you want to do with your own page. I'm just trying to explain my opinion on it as you have asked. I have also included the same comments to the page itself.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Stephen

by **visentin** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:50 am

Dan, Stephen, thanks for the review. I've posted an answer to the many points you raised in the comments.
To start improving this page (if everyone is OK to keep it), I suggest that we can start identifying some 20-30 of the best pictures in all Scotland-related SP objects (and possibly, some which match the topics of the chapters).
I didn't have time to make it, and you probably know more than me the good pages with good images about peaks and routes in Scotland.
What do you think ?

by **Boydie** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:16 pm

visentin wrote:Dan, Stephen, thanks for the review. I've posted an answer to the many points you raised in the comments.
To start improving this page (if everyone is OK to keep it), I suggest that we can start identifying some 20-30 of the best pictures in all Scotland-related SP objects (and possibly, some which match the topics of the chapters).
I didn't have time to make it, and you probably know more than me the good pages with good images about peaks and routes in Scotland.
What do you think ?

Eric, it's totally your choice to keep the page or not. I just thought and still think, that it would be better served elsewhere, possibly as Dan says, as an Article. I would enjoy reading a personal reflective account of your time in and around Scotland. I'm just used to hearing people calling Scotland 'that bit at the top of England', that I'm getting a bit defensive about it being referred to as an Area & Range.

I'm teetering on the political side now. :roll:

The page will need a bit of an upgrade, as Dan mentioned in his comments, if it is to remain in the same section and prove worthwhile. If you had never been to Scotland and were trying to find out some info on SP, would the page answer your questions :?:

Try this with somewhere you have never been. I don't know, maybe Iran. How much info can you get from her pages. Is it enough :?:

What would you like to see on the page :?:

I like the pub bit. I had been thinking about a section covering a pint and some pub grub myself. It is Scotland after all! :lol:

Cheers
Stephen

by **visentin** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:02 pm

Boydie wrote:I just thought and still think, that it would be better served elsewhere, possibly as Dan says, as an Article.

Does it looks so much like an article ? Ok, the introduction with the 5 lines about my experience of this country are obviously not for an A&R page. I'll remove them or move them perhaps to my album. But what else sounds so much like an article ?
And if "Range" is not the proper term for Scotland, what's wrong with "Area" ? (a big area, OK)

Boydie wrote:I'm just used to hearing people calling Scotland 'that bit at the top of England', that I'm getting a bit defensive about it being referred to as an Area & Range.

I know that

By the way, what do you think about the fact that the SP Geomap (bottom link) inlcudes Scotland, while there is also "United Kingdom" ?

Boydie wrote:The page will need a bit of an upgrade, as Dan mentioned in his comments, if it is to remain in the same section and prove worthwhile.

Sure ! But sometimes such comments give me the feeling that SP is kind of "paralysed" by all these "high quality standards" that you both mention. After reading your comments, who will dare starting such pages ? Everything needs a start... It's always easier to improve something existing than starting from scratch.
I've tried to start something for Scotland, it's far to be perfect, but my aim was also to focus the attention of everyone interested in Scotland (I think it's a good start...), and with everyone's contribution, perhaps something good will result from it in some time.

Boydie wrote:If you had never been to Scotland and were trying to find out some info on SP, would the page answer your questions Try this with somewhere you have never been. I don't know, maybe Iran. How much info can you get from her pages. Is it enough What would you like to see on the page

That's exactly my approach. In 2006, I went to Romania's Rodnei after reading a not neglectible part of the SP pages about them. In 2007, same with Slovenia.
Since then I spent also a considerable time reading about Dinaric Alps, Durmitor, Velebit, Montenegro, Bosnia...
I don't want to blame Dan's Grampians page, but for me, it matches none of the requirements I would expect from such page, if I was going to these mountains for the first time. This is a page for people who already know Scotland and look for more precise informations. My aim, as I said, is to produce something more "reader-friendly", and with general facts about Scotland. I absolutely want to avoid redundant stuff and, even more, avoid my page being percepted as a "concurrent page".

Boydie wrote:I like the pub bit. I had been thinking about a section covering a pint and some pub grub myself. It is Scotland after all!

So you're welcome to put some more ! You have editing rights on it

Cheers
Stephen[/quote]

by **Nanuls** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:23 pm

Hi Eric,

great to hear from you, I'm glad you're so positive. I think I may have focused on what I didn't like about the page a little too much, there's some really good stuff in there too. Sorry about that.

If you want to keep it as an area page that's fine with me, with the few changes Stephen and I have suggested I think you'll produce a really fine page. Let me know when you've finished making your modifications and I'll be happy to check your grammer, spelling and terminology.

I would re-iterate the need for some info on climbing though, it doesn't need to be detailed, just a paragraph or two to highlight what Scotland has to offer. Maybe a few lines about Ben Nevis, a few about the Cullin Ridge, a few about the Cairngorms and maybe a few about coastal crags (there's a great photo of the Old Man of Hoy somewhere on SP). If I were you I'd take a look at the www.UKClimbing.com or the SMC website for a bit of general info.

BTW the Grampian page isn't mine - its Clint's, although really it's a collaberative peice and we all own a bit. Don't judge it yet its far from finished. We still hope you'll join us in creating it, and maybe write a few paragraphs about some of the areas, not very much, just a little, no pressure.

Finally I have a few photo nominations as you suggested earlier, I have chosen these 20 images because I think they are both of a high quality and show off all four areas of Scotland your page describes:

http://www.summitpost.org/view_object.p ... _id=185476
http://www.summitpost.org/view_object.p ... _id=410984
http://www.summitpost.org/image/133910/ ... laidh.html
http://www.summitpost.org/image/87118/liathach.html
http://www.summitpost.org/view_object.p ... _id=151013
http://www.summitpost.org/view_object.p ... _id=154581
http://www.summitpost.org/view_object.p ... _id=272818
http://www.summitpost.org/image/7664/15 ... -mhor.html
http://www.summitpost.org/view_object.p ... _id=420554
http://www.summitpost.org/image/54637/1 ... nagar.html
http://www.summitpost.org/view_object.p ... _id=152321
http://www.summitpost.org/view_object.p ... _id=152321
http://www.summitpost.org/view_object.p ... _id=395313
http://www.summitpost.org/image/385929/ ... anach.html
http://www.summitpost.org/view_object.p ... _id=385870
http://www.summitpost.org/image/195039/ ... sgurr.html
http://www.summitpost.org/view_object.p ... _id=343703
http://www.summitpost.org/view_object.p ... _id=459145
http://www.summitpost.org/image/460029/ ... gorms.html
http://www.summitpost.org/image/41416/1 ... agach.html

Enjoy!

by **Boydie** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:37 pm

visentin wrote:I know that
By the way, what do you think about the fact that the SP Geomap (bottom link) inlcudes Scotland, while there is also "United Kingdom" ?

Everyone has an opinion on how they view their own national identity. Be it Scottish, Welsh, Irish, English or British. Choice is good. :wink:

vientin wrote:Sure ! But sometimes such comments give me the feeling that SP is kind of "paralysed" by all these "high quality standards" that you both mention. After reading your comments, who will dare starting such pages ? Everything needs a start... It's always easier to improve something existing than starting from scratch.
I've tried to start something for Scotland, it's far to be perfect, but my aim was also to focus the attention of everyone interested in Scotland (I think it's a good start...), and with everyone's contribution, perhaps something good will result from it in some time.

It was not my intention to put you or anybody else off of submiting any type of page on SP and I would hate to think that I had done this. Who am I to judge :?:

You asked for any thoughts on the page on this very thread and I gave some, it doesn't mean I'm right. According to my wife I'm never right. :lol:

Anyway, enough of that. Onto the pictures. I'll add my suggestions for the top ones in a bit once I've worked out what I think they are.

Later

Stephen

by **Boydie** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:22 pm

by **Proterra** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:40 pm

Card carrying BNP members; Edinburgh vs Glasgow...

Edinburgh BNP members:

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by **Nanuls** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:58 pm

Cryptic indeed…

…anyway just to bring this thread back to its original purpose, does anyone have any photos of Scottish avalanches or avalanche debris?

I have a few but want a bit of variety. It’s for the GM page.

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