SawtoothSean - Apr 5, 2006 5:30 am - Voted 10/10Excellent
Very nice idea and highly under-rated.
Romuald Kosina - Apr 5, 2006 4:54 pm - Hasn't votedRe: Excellent
Sean, many thanks for your kind words!!!!!
Romuald Kosina - Apr 5, 2006 9:32 am - Hasn't votedThanks!!!
Dear Sean, thank you very much for your kind words! Plants are the subject of my professional activity, however, those in mountains have special appearance when composed with rocks and sun.
Have a nice day!!!
mrh - Apr 10, 2006 6:59 pm - Voted 10/10great
great album Romuald. But unfortunately there are a lot of nice photos here that are not "alpine" plants. Still very nice though.
Romuald Kosina - Apr 11, 2006 2:23 pm - Hasn't votedRe: great
Mike, I wrote to you some remark but not as a reply. Please, look at the comments to album.
Romuald Kosina - Apr 11, 2006 2:22 pm - Hasn't votedNot 'alpine'...
Would you like to show me such photos? However, please remember that 'alpine' in broad sense means plants not only of Alps origin but also those growing in other mountains of the temperate climate.
In advance my thanks for your help!
mrh - Apr 11, 2006 4:00 pm - Voted 10/10Re: Not 'alpine'...
In simple terms alpine means above the climatic treeline; at least in an ecological sense. There is certainly a gray area of overlap between the subalpine and true alpine vegetation. Many people just don't know the meaning of these things and I have seen experts not always agree. But low elevations and mature forest of large sized trees would be excluded in any case. But its not a big deal. I don't want to point out specific photos or say anything is inappropriate. Just thought some people might want some information.
Romuald Kosina - Apr 11, 2006 4:50 pm - Hasn't votedRe: Not 'alpine'...
Mike, you are completely right!
I try to correct the album.
Romuald Kosina - Apr 11, 2006 4:56 pm - Hasn't votedRe: Not 'alpine'...
Mike, once again! I see some my own pictures are incorrect,however, you know that specimens of the same species can grow at variuos elevations, e.g. Pinus cembra.
Scott - Apr 11, 2006 5:06 pm - Hasn't votedRe: Not 'alpine'...
Mhr, I agree and you are correct is the sense of what us mountaineers usually use as a definition in the USA, but you may be interested to know that this is just one definition, and the most common one here. It isn't universal, though.
In Europe, alpine often referes to as pertaining to the Alps.
Gardeners and landscapers however (I used to do a bit of landscaping for a job at ages 16 and 17), don't use the timberline definition and in fact any plant native to the mountains is alpine (especailly the small ones), including the ones planted in the yard! This is always the case in landscaping/gardening.
Since people visit this site for the mountaineering, I would stick with the definitions most mountaineers use, instead of landscapers, but I thought you might find it interesting (maybe not). Of course, I don't think we'll get flooded with pictures of peoples gardens or yards here, hee hee.
Romuald Kosina - Apr 11, 2006 6:23 pm - Hasn't votedRe: Not 'alpine'...
Scott, I think I will be correct if I use the definitions presented in a very good book written by Chris Grey-Wilson "The alpine flowers of Britain and Europe". Then, one can accept the pictures taken above the coniferous tree line in mountains, but reject ones below this line. However, of course we know many plants most often growing in subalpine zone can be also seen as dwarf forms in upper parts.
Tanks very much for nice discussion!!!!!
Romuald Kosina - Apr 11, 2006 7:04 pm - Hasn't votedI ought...
I ought to comment some opinions related to the definition of "alpine plant", also some of myself. Finally, I accept point of view presented by Christopher Grey-Wilson in the book "The alpine flowers of Britain and Europe" (1992), where all the plants growing in mountains above 1000 m asl. are named as "alpine". Then my album includes pictures of plants of sub-, true and high alpine zones.
Thanks once again all the SP members discussing this problem!!!
Scott - Apr 11, 2006 7:08 pm - Hasn't votedRe: I ought...
Or you could just say "mountain flora" and include the beautiful flowers below tree line as well.
Romuald Kosina - Apr 11, 2006 7:14 pm - Hasn't votedOK,...
OK, Scott! I thought about such a change.
mrh - Apr 11, 2006 8:33 pm - Voted 10/10alpine
Yes, I also have some photos in the album that are not strictly alpine, but can grow in that gray transitional area with the subalpine below; or in some cases they have a wide amplitude and can even grow at mid-elevations as well as high. Yes, outside the mountaineering world and the scientific world alpine can mean anything. I have seen a lake sitting at 2,100 feet and surrounded by ponderosa pine referred to as an "alpine lake", which I feel is an incorrect use of the term. I would never speak to the wider ranging plants that can grow in high as well as moderate elevations, but for something that primarily grows in the lower forest zones, there should be no question.
I wouldn't propose detatching anyones photos. Hopefully they will see this and realize that their excellent photos probably belong in one of the other more general floral albums. Or as Scott says, just change the album name to be all inclusive. But personally I like the idea of an exclusively alpine (in the more correct sense) album.
Romuald Kosina - Apr 12, 2006 5:22 pm - Hasn't votedRe: alpine
Dear Mike, I think SP members can also include now without any restrictions pictures of interesting plants from subalpine zone. These from hay meadows are sometimes especially beautiful. I would prefer photos presenting plants in a visually broader context.
Have nice moments today!!!
Norman - Apr 14, 2006 1:45 am - Voted 10/10Flowers
Great section you started. I will add a few too.
Romuald Kosina - Apr 18, 2006 2:11 pm - Hasn't votedRe: Flowers
Norman, thank for your appreciation! Plants add a lot of colours in mountains!
kermorvan - May 14, 2006 1:22 pm - Voted 10/10Your Album
It is just great idea to add this theme into this forum. I reckognized many of these flowers on Your pictures, i`ve also used to take pictures of them (and why not to upload them:). Great work!
Romuald Kosina - May 14, 2006 2:54 pm - Hasn't votedRe: Your Album
Ker, thanks for your kind words!!!
Are you a botanist?
Mountain flora are worthy of our special interest.
Nice moments to you!!!!!!!
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